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NOTICE: I would like to put a stop to writing analyses for the time being.  Once the meta settles, all of the analyses that are completed will likely be redone.  If any of you still want to write them, then go ahead, but realize that your work will most likely be redone from scratch.

Earlier today, I put together this write up regarding the current state of affairs in Competitive Uranium.  I shared it with the breeders Discord, and many people there asked me to share it on the forums.  You can access it in it's Google Doc by using the link below:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UTua...sp=sharing (fairly obsolete, but it's still here for anyone interested reading)

I also wanted to talk about the tiering process.  If we want to put together a complete tier list, testing is paramount.  An analysis of each potentially viable mon in Uranium, as well as preliminary viability rankings would help make playtesting and tiering easier.  Eventually, I would like for analysis writing to be a community project, but writing an analysis for each mon is is easier said than done, so for now, I would like to split up the work.  Anyone who has plans to do a future analysis, please let me know.  I will post a list on this post detailing all future plans for analyses so that anyone who wants to write one can consult this list to make sure they are not repeating someone else's work.

Preliminary Tier List: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LZ96...sp=sharing

Completed Analyses:
Antarki (Reevelution) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=52
Escartress (Reevelution) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=86
Chimaconda (Reevelution) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=136
Antarki (poweroftibarn) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=28
Empirilla (poweroftibarn) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=165
Beliaddon (Lord Windos) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=77
Dunseraph (Lord Windos) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=20
Luxelong (Lord Windos) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=120
Nucleon (Lord Windos) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=36
Dramsama (Lord Windos) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=148
Harptera (Matt) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=23
Laissure (Dragonstrike) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=113
Seikamater (Dragonstrike) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=152
Metalynx (jabuloso) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=170
Archilles (Cataclyptic) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=128
Syrentide (Cataclyptic) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=194
Majungold (Cataclyptic) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=217
Tracton (crulla) http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=208

Jabuloso:
Electruxo (ready to go)
Inflagetah (in progress)
Baariette (in progress)
Coatlith (in progress)
Fafninter (in progress)
Yatagaryu (in progress)
Oblivicorn
Brainoar
Theriamp
Gargryph
Glavinug

Dragonstrike:
Archilles
Chainite
Drilgann
Arbok
Paraboom
Nimflora

Lord Windos:
Kiricorn
Winotinger
Gellin
Blubelrog
Alpico

Reevelution:
S51-A
Whimsicott
Frikitiki

Cataclyptic:
Astronite
You can take Laissure off the list. I just posted an analysis on that mon. I had started writing it before you posted this list, so...
(09-26-2016, 05:49 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]You can take Laissure off the list.  I just posted an analysis on that mon.  I had started writing it before you posted this list, so...

All good.  If you have any other analyses you wanna write, feel free to let me know.
(09-26-2016, 07:06 PM)poweroftibarn Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 05:49 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]You can take Laissure off the list.  I just posted an analysis on that mon.  I had started writing it before you posted this list, so...

All good.  If you have any other analyses you wanna write, feel free to let me know.

Will do.
(09-26-2016, 07:48 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 07:06 PM)poweroftibarn Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 05:49 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]You can take Laissure off the list.  I just posted an analysis on that mon.  I had started writing it before you posted this list, so...

All good.  If you have any other analyses you wanna write, feel free to let me know.

Will do.

I plan on doing Metalynx after my Dramsama guide. After that, it will be either Syrentide or Winotinger, then Luxelong, if I can get into it in time. I am interested in the little fairy dragon, but I wouldn't mind if someone sniped the guide, to turn a phrase
You should add links to the respective guides. We could use this as an index for the future.
Just read the post on possible bans. Agreed with Nucleon and Yatagaryu at least being suspected, unsure on Mega Inflagetha, disagree on suspect with Mega Syrentide. I support suspects in that order btw, Nucleon I believe overcentralizes, which is grounds for a ban. Yatagaryu might be banworhy too for being a bit too overpowered, though relying on Focus Miss to hit things correctly twice may be enough of a downfall for it since its two stabs can be dealt with. Inflagetah does have too much of a 4mss but it can deal a lot when played correctly.
There are arguments to keep Inflagetah legal. At least until Belly Drum gets implemented into the game. Then there is not question; it needs to go.
(09-29-2016, 12:06 AM)Cataclyptic Wrote: [ -> ]Just read the post on possible bans. Agreed with Nucleon and Yatagaryu at least being suspected, unsure on Mega Inflagetha, disagree on suspect with Mega Syrentide. I support suspects in that order btw, Nucleon I believe overcentralizes, which is grounds for a ban. Yatagaryu might be banworhy too for being a bit too overpowered, though relying on Focus Miss to hit things correctly twice may be enough of a downfall for it since its two stabs can be dealt with. Inflagetah does have too much of a 4mss but it can deal a lot when played correctly.

I need to update the write up since two days ago it was revealed through data mining that Inflagetah and Archilles learn Belly Drum through breeding. Personally, I believe that Inflagetah and Archilles would both be too powerful with that move.

I agree with you on Syrentide-M. In my opinion, it's lack of reliable recovery and it's easily exploitable weaknesses make it strong, but my no means banworthy. This may change when stuff like Nucleon, Yatagaryu, and Lanthan get the banhammer but for now I don't think that Syrentide-M is strong enough to warrant the ban. I mentioned it because not everyone shares our sentiments on Syrentide-M and there are many who have been lobbying for it to be banned.
I would agree with your analyses of Nucleon and M-Inflagetah.

Like you said, Nucleon has almost no viable counters, and the only move that would truly cripple it would be Skill Swap. The need to include specially trained mons on your team just to counter Nucleon leads to over-centralization; every team either needs a Nucleon or a counter-Nucleon just to be viable.

M-Inflagetah is a slightly different case, but the verdict is still the same. Looking at its stats is daunting in itself - those speed and atk stats are monstrous. Trick Room wouldn't cripple this guy because it has easy access to several priority moves. Inflagetah's ability gives a huge boost to these priority moves as well. BP120 Extremespeed, anyone? Baton Pass it a Swords Dance and the entire enemy team is getting one-shot. Could you switch into its Extremespeed with a ghost-type mon? Absolutely. Could you switch into Flame Impact with a pkmn with Flash Fire? Absolutely. Could you just include a bulky water type on your team specifically to deal with Inflagetah? Definitely. However, this leads to a situation similar to that which Nucleon presents. Either you need an Inflagetah on your team or a specially-trained counter-Inflagetah on your team to be viable. Once again, overcentralization is the threat here.

I haven't enough experience yet with Yata or M-Syrentide to discuss these two, but if they take the fun out of the game like the two above, then some serious thought needs to be given to their power and inclusion in competitive tiers.
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