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Here's another question, Windos: how many targets can we hit with spread moves like Powder Snow and Dazzling Gleam?
I have a idea Dragonstrike. If there is something I know about Nuclear Pokemon is their both respect and fear one thing: Power. That big Raticate is the leader of those Ratata. If we beat him, the Ratata maybe be scared to see the Alpha of the group be defeated. Remember, they are Nuclear Pokemon, but they still rat pokemon. Since I dont have spread moves, I will move in beat the big Raticate. Can I trust you to deal with that little Ratata?
(07-13-2018, 12:01 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I suppose I have one additional question while you're here: would it be possible to Evade the Explosion?  (Book mechanics seem to point to yes since it doesn't have the 'battlefield' graphic, but confirmation one way or the other would be great)

Edit: Or Windos could go offline for the night...that works too, I guess...

Edit 2: ...and another thing to consider is that trying to evade the Explosion probably means committing to fewer actions to have as many dice in the Evade pool as reasonable...hmm...that throws another wrench in the equation...

Mechanically, yes you can Evade, but logically the only place you can fully avoid an Explosion would be diving into the Long Grass, which has its own consequences.. You could also have your charas dive onto the ground, but then I would just halve the damage Explosion would have done to you character if you succeed the Evade.

(07-13-2018, 10:52 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another question, Windos: how many targets can we hit with spread moves like Powder Snow and Dazzling Gleam?

Up to 5 targets!


Thanks for the info.





Seeing as Explosion is Metagross's only multi-target attack, focusing down Raticate (folowed by its group) is what it would do if it didn't go boom.  Mew and Frosslad can easily blow away some groups of Rattata with their spread moves.  Lindworm's Dragonair could also do so if he has Twister.

The main reason I'm considering having Metagross go BOOM! is it could do it before any of the rats get to move, and taking on 30 enemies simultaneously when you only have 3 spread move users is...ick.  (It'd take us 2 uses of each spread move at minimum to beat our enemies back, and taking 15-30 attacks before we get to even use the second set of spread moves is...also ick). Frosslad is also moving after all of the rats, unlike Mew and Dragonair, which is...triple ick.

We could still take 'em on without Explosion, sure. Gonna be hard, though. We're gonna be hurtin' either way, so I'm carefully looking at all the options here.
At least warn Arial before let Metagross using explosion. And you know Metagross will faint after you use such devastated move.
Before I make any final decisions, , let me properly assess the situation now that I'm sitting in front of my laptop.

Quote:1. There are 30 nuclear rats, in 6 groups of 5.  The one lead by Raticate is a little tougher than the rest.

2.Defeating Raticate first may intimidate the Rattata, but they also have a sheer numbers advantage and are single minded in their violent intent, so it also might not

3. They have two particularly nasty things they could do: a Nuclear move of some kind (probably Gamma Ray since they're common pokemon, but Radioacoid or Nuclear Slash could show up too.  Maybe Nuclear Waste as well.  Only Lindworm really has to worry about Nuclear moves, but if Dragonair gets swarmed with enough of them, that's gonna be bad), or potentially Lethal Crunches (which would leave Frosslad and Metagross in a bad way.  Mew can attack while remaining invisible now, so she's fine until she reveals her presence)

4. The turn order is (1 Rattata group), (Dragonair and Metagross), (Raticate's group), (3 Rattata groups), (Melchior; Zeus; Mew; and Arial), (1 Rattata Group), (Reiner; Frosslad; and Lindworm)

  + However, Metagross can go first if it mega evolves, since it would tie the initiative with the Rattata and would have a higher Dex.

5. There are two ways I think we can approach this: Explosion, and no Explosion

  + Using Explosion means Metagross hits ALL of the nuclear rats, likely KOing every single one before they can move in the process since they're likely rather frail.  

     - However, it also hits all of us.  It would have 15 D6 in that base damage pool (if it doesn't crit), so Arial is looking at taking a 12 D6 attack, while Reiner is looking at taking an 8 D6 attack (since he's technically still wearing the Flak Jacket currently).  Everyone except Frosslad is going to take 8-12 D6 worth of damage if they don't evade successfully.

  + Not using Explosion means trying to minimize how many attacks we take as best as we can.  Metagross, Zeus, and Melchior would probably hit that Raticate's group as best as they could (starting with Raticate), while Mew, Frosslad, and (maybe) Dragonair attempt to KO/Freeze/Flinch as many groups of nuclear vermin as they can before they can next act.  This means Dragonair would first target one of the four groups that move immediately after him, Mew would first target the group that moves immediately after her, and Frosslad would hit the group at the top of the initiative order.

     - However, that means that we might take...5 attacks before Dragonair gets to move, another 15 before Mew gets to move, and (assuming every targeted group of rats is KOed in one hit) another 10 before Mew and Frosslad get to move again (and ideally end the battle).  Most likely, they'll all be single target, low power moves, but the sheer numbers can easily make up for that, particularly if they start dealing SE damage

So here's the main question: do we think 7 characters taking 8-12 D6 of damage (assuming no evasions were made and Explosion didn't crit, nor accounting for resistances yet) is less than the damage that would be received from taking around 30 weak attacks?

This also hinges on Lindworm's Dragonair knowing Twister or another spread move, which hasn't been confirmed yet.
I ain't revealing what Moves Lindworm's Pokémon know, besides the ones that I already have. He's rather secretive about his Pokémon, especially since he doesn't know if he's going to be a permeant ally of Reiner's or not. Therefore, you'll have to make that judgement call without that bit of info, mates.
God damnit. I REALLY hate when you do make sense. But you know there is chance you might kill Melchior, Zeus, Lindworm, or ay of us in case that Explosion crit right? Since my Arial total HP is 8. Are you aware you might kill us all if you do such decision. But that would finish off all that foes too.

*Sigh* Fine. I think Airmid can take care of any residual damage we might take and maybe survive. But if Arial, or any of his pokemon be badly hurt or even dead, I will be very displeased with you. Like a lot.

But go ahead. Ask Metagross to summon his Explosion and deal a lot of damage to those pokemon. But please, PLEASE, warn everyone what you gonna do. I really hate you when you let everyone go in the dark without proper warning. At least this will give enough time to everyone have a chance to doge that big explosion. Thanks God Steel pokemon resist Normal-moves...
(07-13-2018, 04:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: [ -> ]I ain't revealing what Moves Lindworm's Pokémon know, besides the ones that I already have. He's rather secretive about his Pokémon, especially since he doesn't know if he's going to be a permeant ally of Reiner's or not. Therefore, you'll have to make that judgement call without that bit of info, mates.

Well, looking at it again, Twister is a 0 exp move for Dragonair, so Lindworm definitely has access to at least one spread move in the immediate situation.
(07-13-2018, 04:08 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2018, 04:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: [ -> ]I ain't revealing what Moves Lindworm's Pokémon know, besides the ones that I already have. He's rather secretive about his Pokémon, especially since he doesn't know if he's going to be a permeant ally of Reiner's or not. Therefore, you'll have to make that judgement call without that bit of info, mates.

Well, looking at it again, Twister is a 0 exp move for Dragonair, so Lindworm definitely has access to at least one spread move in the immediate situation.

Yeap! If you can figure out what Moves he has indirectly, fair game in my books!
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