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RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 12-20-2018

(12-20-2018, 07:31 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Sorry for not posting anything so far today, but I've been researching the game thread about Riza and Taylor for most of the day in order to give them the most authentic/accurate reactions possible, so bear with me a bit longer please as I finalize my findings!

Just keep up the good work.  And if you need my advice on anything, don't hesitate to ask!


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Spiritmon - 12-20-2018

I sorry, but I cant take serious those guys. Even more in this Sun and Moon who they are only a bunch of idiots and now this time Bearware always get those guys. They might be not always incompetent, but they did not show that in the anime who only count in this case. In the day they show that in the anime I may change opinion. And about the thing they work personally with Giovanni...well that just confirm my theory how incompetent this Giovanni version really is.

Because Gamefreak and Nintendo only include those two with sole purpose of be fanservice, for the people who true like those idiots and they try to make them looks like to have a more meaning purpose instead of be comic releaf.

Honestly? Arial alone, yes alone, could beat those two easily with his pokemon. Lets make a comparisson: Reiner and Arial have strong pokemon in their side: Reiner have a Legendary Pokemon, who is problably the progenitor of ALL pokemon in the planet and have a Z-Move capable of destroy the America and cause calamities to the rest of the world, a strong Ice Cat, 2 might dragons, a literally Lighting God, a Persian who was able to beat one on one against a Mega Metalynx, a Kaiju knight, a Ultra Beast and a Super Computer who is a Pseudo Legendary. Arial have a Cat capable of transform in ANY pokemon, a Demi-god who survive a Explosion of a Delta Muk AND was able to withstand against one of the most powerfull moves of existance release by a Mega Arbok, a Super Smart Meteor, a Metalic Cat capable of Mega Evolve, a super fish cleric, and the most important: A literally walking Nuclear Reactor capable of transform a area into a Dead Zone and make all pokemon become corrupt and Nuclear!

And lets see what in Jessie and James side they have in Sun and Moon: A Toxicapex who not even fully evolve yet, a Mimikyu with psycopath tendecies (I confess this one would be a problem in certain battles) and a talking Meowth who cant use his moves. And I not even considering Reiner and Arial companions! Riza with her Stealth skills and Pokemon. Kyubi and her Fire abilities, the Woman cop I forgot her name now but she also can get some help of the other cops, and Emily and her Dodrio Skills. I telling you, those buffoons would have no chance against Reiner and Arial. They would be doomed if Reiner didnt send the Cursed Arms to be destroy, because those couple of Rockets would be killed by Mamudo Eclipse and send to the Land of Madness with T.P.K.


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 12-20-2018

If you're looking at straight battle capabilities, yes, they're not the greatest.  It's the non-battle and usually non-criminal areas J&J usually excel in (though they CAN hold their own in battle on occassion).  They're masters of disguise and acting (name 5 times in the anime that they were recognized by anyone before they took off their disguises), Jessie can hold her own in Contests, James is basically a walking pokedex, the two of them are jacks of all trades when it comes to doing many, many different kinds of jobs, so many of their wacky plans are incredibly expensive and/or complicated mechanisms that they've put together with only the barest funding, Giovanni was comfortable with entrusting his gym to them for a short time while he was away on business...oh, and they're also incredibly sturdy as well, given how much punishment they take from Ash's Pikachu on a semi-regular basis that they quickly recover from.

Best Wishes Giovanni managed to take control of all 3 Forces of Nature and almost managed to get Meloetta, too.  I'd say that he's far from incompetent based on that alone.

Honestly, while they're mostly comic relief, if you look beyond that, J&J have plenty of evidence to suggest that they're highly skilled individuals.

...just not when they're trying to beat anyone in a straight fight.  But even then, I only put so much stock in that because anime protagnists (usually) have plot armor that protects them from the villains ever having the last laugh.

So while Arial might be able to beat the two of them in a straight battle (and Reiner would probably be able to crush them with 99% certainty), J&J would probably remain higher ranked than Arial due to their other skills.




BTW, I'm trying to keep this analysis as unbiased as possible. Biased arguments are rarely ever good ones.


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Spiritmon - 12-20-2018

"Masters of Disguise" it's something I have to disagree. That hair of Jessie be in color or weight it's very difficult to ignore. And there is the fact there almost always a talking Meowth with them. So I prefer to think everyone the main characters have brains the size of a nut. Maybe people who never meet them I can forgive (kinda) but I can't swallow the fact Ash still fall in the old trick of that very obvious disguise of them! And there still people who wonder why there is people who hate that boy a lot (me include).

But I can agree with the rest. They indeed have more competence in other areas who is not battle, because it's need very much psychology mind to not suffer in stress after take so many jobs at the same time. And indeed in contests, Jessie is pretty decent, and James be almost a Heart with blue hair he indeed have a mind to remember info (wish I he could ACTUALLY make good use of his knowledge, but since it's a child anime, the villains don't have grown of character).

And yeah, they may sturdy those Thunderbolt, I give credit with that, but that's just because Gamefreak don't have the guts to kill or put aside those useless characters.

Well, let's not forget it was the same guy who was beat by the say child again and have his plans ruined. And who also lost control of Mewtwo, have the laboratory destroyed and a vengeful Artificial Pokemon who could easily tear him appart with a simple though. And who even his counter part of other universe where he form the Team Rainbow Rocket and ALL of them have Legendary Pokemon, who is literally GODS, they were crushed, AGAIN, by 11 years child.

...now that I stop to think of it, I may have a relationship of love and hate with Pokemon. Both games and anime. There a lot of things that I love a lot, like the universe, lore and Pokemons, but I have quite a lot hate to some characters in the anime version, and also some in the game version. It's I who have a problem and I simple being a hater? Or this hate or dislike have fundamental?


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Spiritmon - 12-20-2018

Oh by the way, Arial would not "might" beat them. I have 100% of certain he would of course beat them. And he would even send then crying begging for mercy.


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 12-20-2018

(12-20-2018, 10:49 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

Honestly, I think the 'obvious disguises' are done in part so the audience knows it's J&J, tbh.  Again, mostly for comic relief.  Call it a suspension of disbelief if you will.

The whole 'beaten by a 10-15 year old' trope that pokemon has going on is in part due to said protagonists a) having plot armor because they have to due to the nature of video games and b) being pkemon training prodigies that eventually become or already are Champions who have befriended at least 1 Legendary (with the exception of Red).  If someone with Champion level skill is interfering in your affairs, you're gonna be in for a rough time no matter what.

In the case of Mewtwo, he's kinda almost impossible to control on a permanent basis (unless you're a protagonist or RR Giovanni, who can even Mega Evolve Mewtwo).  The fact that Giovanni managed to control him for any length of time at all is fairly impressive (and he wasn't shy about using Mewtwo either, given that he absolutely crushed Gary with Mewtwo in the anime).

RR Giovanni was also the only member of the team who got away with not getting sent back to his home dimension as soon as he was beaten.  He's still scheming out there somewhere...

Honestly, I don't think I'm qualified to answer that last question of yours.  I will say that I think there is definitely some bias in your arguments (given some of the wording you've used), but I do appreciate that you're actually holding an actual discussion with me.  Taking a step back and analyzing your own arguments can be a good thing to do, if I'm being blunt.


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Lord Windos - 12-21-2018

(12-20-2018, 07:45 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:
That's one of the reasons I have given up of the Pokemon anime. Why the hell a leader of a crime organization can be so stupid to give two highest position since the only thing they do is screwed things and be defeat by a eternal 10 years child and Pikachu instead of focus in capture OTHER pokemon. It anger almost as Ash eternal looser.

No problem Windos! Take the time needed to make the better reaction about the scene. Need a help?

(12-20-2018, 08:44 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 07:31 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Sorry for not posting anything so far today, but I've been researching the game thread about Riza and Taylor for most of the day in order to give them the most authentic/accurate reactions possible, so bear with me a bit longer please as I finalize my findings!

Just keep up the good work.  And if you need my advice on anything, don't hesitate to ask!

Thanks for the support, mates! Unfortunately, making my posts for Iron's game has sapped me of my creativity juices and energy for the time being, so I'll have to delay making posts for another day. I'm sorry about this, but rest assured that I WILL be making posts on the 21st! Third time's the charm, right? ....Right?

On the subject of the Jessie & Jame + Cassedy & Bunch, I'll say right now their all HIGHLY competent and skill members of Team Rocket in the CCV Universe, with J&J and Meowth being some of the top agents in the entire organization, and both groups essentially having carte blanc to operate as they please most of the time, so long as they their schemes/plans continue ranking in the Poke/Pokemon, which is a very rare privilege that Giovanni gives out only seldomly and often only temporarily. If you guys are interested, I can type up a more detailed post about J&J&M and their activities/accomplishments in the Meta Thread, as both Reiner and Arial should know about them (particularly Reiner, as he has an eye for the hierarchy of Team Rocket).


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 12-21-2018

(12-21-2018, 12:05 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: On the subject of the Jessie & Jame + Cassedy & Bunch, I'll say right now their all HIGHLY competent and skill members of Team Rocket in the CCV Universe, with J&J and Meowth being some of the top agents in the entire organization, and both groups essentially having carte blanc to operate as they please most of the time, so long as they their schemes/plans continue ranking in the Poke/Pokemon, which is a very rare privilege that Giovanni gives out only seldomly and often only temporarily. If you guys are interested, I can type up a more detailed post about J&J&M and their activities/accomplishments in the Meta Thread, as both Reiner and Arial should know about them (particularly Reiner, as he has an eye for the hierarchy of Team Rocket).

Lol, nobody can ever get Bart...er, Butch's name right : P

Probably good info to have some notes on, yeah.  If ya have some time later, it'd be good to have that typed out.


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Lord Windos - 12-21-2018

Hahaha, I became part of a meme! I feel honor.....and amused!

On a different topic, how do you think I'm handling Taylor so far? Not doing her a grave injustice, I hope...


RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 12-21-2018

(12-21-2018, 12:16 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: On a different topic, how do you think I'm handling Taylor so far? Not doing her a grave injustice, I hope...

You're doing great so far (and it doesn't feel overly cheesy yet, either, so have some bonus points!).  

If ya need some justification for why she didn't let Reiner in on the plan to save Lucy, though, I maybe have an idea or two, depending on where Lucy was being held captive.