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RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - PhantomUnderYourDesk - 05-18-2018
This is just sad to read, please stay fair to each other. :C Again, outplayed Pokemon Battles are supossed to be fun, kept fair and enjoyable to hold for the participants and any watchers/readers; if one party is not enjoying it, then something is going wrong. A good amount of drama, the heat of a difficult battle, that's what adds to the fun, but forcing any other participant of the battle to something/staying too adamant about one's viewpoint seems to be a sure way to kill the fun. I don't really understand how things can go so amiss (don't answer that question), at that point - maybe it'd be better to just QUIT the battle entirerly, regardless of scenery, for player's sake.
Hate and toxicity, whether being an involved in this case or not, have no room on this board, least of all here in the Roleplaying Sector where we all have the opportunity to enjoy a different world than our own. If there are problems, speak about them privately to solve them, or contact the staff in serious cases.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Lord Windos - 05-18-2018
Can't disagree with your points mate, but I can still argue and hold a conversation about them. As for taking a timeout, see bellow response.
Quote:I think we should stop Role-played in Celadon City for now and call a ceasifice. Both in game and out of game. Both me and my character it's already stressed about how things turn out. At least until the Electric Rain cease his effects to make us return to the battlefield.
That's what I suggested in the first place, and if this battle is getting too stressful to be enjoyable for one or another party, I can always just contrive a reason for the fight to just end, though as a consequence either combatants will only receive minimum XP due to not resolving the battle.
Quote:After the effects of electric terrain be off, he still gonna keep Alomomola as a support. It's not because Reiner can't use his support it Arial will simple turn to be honored and not use his support. Arial already pass the point of care about Reiner.
Your character is perfectly within his rights to keep using Alomomola and being angry at his boss, as Reiner was the cause of that bad situation (albeit unintentionally) and Arial and the support Pokémon were the affect parties. Heck, that would be right in line with what Reiner's been telling Arial to do: take the battle seriously, adapt as necessary, be intelligent in your choices, and press the advantage if you have it without mucking things up in the process. Just remember that hatred is a two way street, and if things start heating up OOC....well, Imma gonna to stamp my foot down on the throat of the problem.
Quote:And another thing Windos: As much I may have be screwed with Reiner and all, I do not regret anything I have say in Reiner face. He only punish Arial because HE just doing his job as a bodyguard even it's only trying to punish him. And he would have done a better if he was knowing where the hell he was. And was recovering from a explosion against a Delta Muk.
Fair enough, but remember that Arial disobeyed explicit orders from his superior and Reiner made completely reasonable points to WHY he kept them out of the fight. ......However, it could be reasonably argued that since Giovanni/Proton assigned them to being their bodyguard that their directives supercedes that of Reiner's, so in a roundabout way disobeying Reiner was actually completely 'allowable' in the grand scheme of things. Its just that who's in charge/responsible of who is muddled when your ward is also higher rank than you and has legitimate reasons for not wanting you involved in his affairs temporarily, and the fact that your character ended up getting into trouble anyway by nearly dying to a Muk.....well, it only reinforces Reiner's belief that keeping you out of things would have been for the best. Honestly, neither character is 'in the right' for the way they handled THAT situation, but neither character is necessarily 'wrong' in doing what they choose to do either. Arrgggh, how complicated.....
Quote:And there is the thing about force him to this stupid battle, and then suddenly change the rules because "You break the rules Arial so Its going to be a Double even if Windos say it's a legal move to use in single battles but screw you". And Arial even say he would take out Sekmet out of the battlefield to make things "more fair", but Reiner act as a baby and force Arial to these terms with 0 chance of dialogue.
Reiner didn't know about the mechanics of the move, and even though its 'Legal' in single battles its not exactly 'fun' or in the spirit of the rules to utilize it, and having to face off against TWO Sekmet.......well, its why I allowed Reiner to make things a Double Battle to 'even the odds' , so to speak.
However, you indeed did offer to remove Sekmet from play to peacefully resolve the conflict once her move became a touchy issue while Reiner just plain didn't want to compromise on that, so I believe he was the one that acted irrationally and unfairly in that instance. Even if he's angry and stressed out IC, when Arial offered them a chance to settle things without escalating the battle to a 'worse' level for either one of them.....well, he was rational and calm enough at that point to take that deal, especially since it was entirely to both sides benefit. He don't have to throw his Pokémon into the meat fryer that was Double Sekmet and has one less Pokémon to worry about, and Arial isn't forced to fight in an entirely unfavorable format. Win win in my book, so why did they not accept such a compromise......?
Quote:In short, as much Arial have make mistakes, he at least learn from them. Little by little but at least he learn. And Reiner did not have touch or sensibility to understand as much the day of Reiner might be a shit storm, Arial day was not better either.
Its slow going, but yes, Arial is indeed growing and learning to become a better Trainer and Person. The same can be said for Reiner, though. Both your characters have conflicting personalities and outlooks/approaches to all things, so naturally your character will more often than not bicker at each other. I was hopping it turned into something like a Vitriolic Friendship like Reiner sorta has with Proton, but things just haven't worked out that way......yet.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 03:09 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Win win in my book, so why did they not accept such a compromise......?
Let me just answer this real quick because that seems to be the only thing your confused about.
It was part of Arial's test.
Reiner didn't accept the compromise, but he never rejected it either. He just stared, stayed completely silent, and left the decision to Arial.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Lord Windos - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 03:54 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:(05-18-2018, 03:09 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Win win in my book, so why did they not accept such a compromise......?
Let me just answer this real quick because that seems to be the only thing your confused about.
It was part of Arial's test.
Reiner didn't accept the compromise, but he never rejected it either. He just stared, stayed completely silent, and left the decision to Arial.
Ah, I get it now. Could have been more clearly worded that it was a choice left to him, but I can't find fault with that decision, since it gave the power of how things turned out entirely to him. Thanks for the clarification!
Also, you never got back to me about 'fixing' things. We can discuss such in PMs, if you don't want to bring up such topics out in the open.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 03:58 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Ah, I get it now. Could have been more clearly worded that it was a choice left to him, but I can't find fault with that decision, since it gave the power of how things turned out entirely to him. Thanks for the clarification!
Also, you never got back to me about 'fixing' things. We can discuss such in PMs, if you don't want to bring up such topics out in the open.
This should all make a lot more sense once the battle is over, too. I plan to explain exactly what's going on when the battle's over (as well as reveal whether Arial passed or failed Reiner's test).
I'm thinking about how to go about that. Give me a little time. It's a good opportunity for taking a little break anyways.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Spiritmon - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 03:54 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:(05-18-2018, 03:09 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Win win in my book, so why did they not accept such a compromise......?
Let me just answer this real quick because that seems to be the only thing your confused about.
It was part of Arial's test.
Reiner didn't accept the compromise, but he never rejected it either. He just stared, stayed completely silent, and left the decision to Arial.
You do know Arial don't read minds right? He may have block but not one to read. And he is not exactly the most genius person in the world. Expect a madman to read Reiner intentions it's the same thing you try to teach a rock to read Shakespeare.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Lord Windos - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 04:24 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:(05-18-2018, 03:54 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:(05-18-2018, 03:09 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Win win in my book, so why did they not accept such a compromise......?
Let me just answer this real quick because that seems to be the only thing your confused about.
It was part of Arial's test.
Reiner didn't accept the compromise, but he never rejected it either. He just stared, stayed completely silent, and left the decision to Arial.
You do know Arial don't read minds right? He may have block but not one to read. And he is not exactly the most genius person in the world. Expect a madman to read Reiner intentions it's the same thing you try to teach a rock to read Shakespeare.
*Ahem*
Could put that in a less hostile way, mate. Already address he could have been more clear, so no need to dogpile them any Spiritmon.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Spiritmon - 05-18-2018
Sorry. I will not the subject anymore
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Dragonstrike - 05-18-2018
I intentionally made it unclear, btw. If I stated what I was doing at the time, yes, the results might have been...nicer, but they wouldn't have quite been in the form I wanted them to be in. I wanted that choice Arial made to be difficult to make, and I wanted it to be as genuine and uninfluenced as I could manage.
RE: [Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels - Lord Windos - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 04:37 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: I intentionally made it unclear, btw. If I stated what I was doing at the time, yes, the results might have been...nicer, but they wouldn't have quite been in the form I wanted them to be in. I wanted that choice Arial made to be difficult to make, and I wanted it to be as genuine and uninfluenced as I could manage.
......I could fault you for setting up things in deliberately such a way that it would cause intense stress on them, but given all the shit I put you guys through with regular encounters, I'm willing to give you leeway for this. Just try not to make things like that for Arial/Spiritmon in the future if you can help it. Its fine for me to do it since I'm the main source of conflict and you guys always will get something out of me putting you through the wood chipper, but to do it to each other is were IC conflicts starts bleeding over to OOC, and the chance of either character turning on each other increases exponentially. I'm fine with betrayel, going against each other's desires, and simply character fucking about with each other in game, but not to the point it starts fucking with the players IRL.