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(07-13-2018, 10:52 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: Here's another question, Windos: how many targets can we hit with spread moves like Powder Snow and Dazzling Gleam?

(07-13-2018, 12:01 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: Well, I suppose I have one additional question while you're here: would it be possible to Evade the Explosion?  (Book mechanics seem to point to yes since it doesn't have the 'battlefield' graphic, but confirmation one way or the other would be great)

Edit: Or Windos could go offline for the night...that works too, I guess...

Edit 2: ...and another thing to consider is that trying to evade the Explosion probably means committing to fewer actions to have as many dice in the Evade pool as reasonable...hmm...that throws another wrench in the equation...

(07-13-2018, 10:52 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: Here's another question, Windos: how many targets can we hit with spread moves like Powder Snow and Dazzling Gleam?

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(07-13-2018, 02:13 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: @Lord Windos

Thanks for the info.



@Spiritmon

Seeing as Explosion is Metagross's only multi-target attack, focusing down Raticate (folowed by its group) is what it would do if it didn't go boom.  Mew and Frosslad can easily blow away some groups of Rattata with their spread moves.  Lindworm's Dragonair could also do so if he has Twister.

The main reason I'm considering having Metagross go BOOM! is it could do it before any of the rats get to move, and taking on 30 enemies simultaneously when you only have 3 spread move users is...ick.  (It'd take us 2 uses of each spread move at minimum to beat our enemies back, and taking 15-30 attacks before we get to even use the second set of spread moves is...also ick).  Frosslad is also moving after all of the rats, unlike Mew and Dragonair, which is...triple ick.

We could still take 'em on without Explosion, sure.  Gonna be hard, though.  We're gonna be hurtin' either way, so I'm carefully looking at all the options here.

Quote:1. There are 30 nuclear rats, in 6 groups of 5.  The one lead by Raticate is a little tougher than the rest.

2.Defeating Raticate first may intimidate the Rattata, but they also have a sheer numbers advantage and are single minded in their violent intent, so it also might not

3. They have two particularly nasty things they could do: a Nuclear move of some kind (probably Gamma Ray since they're common pokemon, but Radioacoid or Nuclear Slash could show up too.  Maybe Nuclear Waste as well.  Only Lindworm really has to worry about Nuclear moves, but if Dragonair gets swarmed with enough of them, that's gonna be bad), or potentially Lethal Crunches (which would leave Frosslad and Metagross in a bad way.  Mew can attack while remaining invisible now, so she's fine until she reveals her presence)

4. The turn order is (1 Rattata group), (Dragonair and Metagross), (Raticate's group), (3 Rattata groups), (Melchior; Zeus; Mew; and Arial), (1 Rattata Group), (Reiner; Frosslad; and Lindworm)

  + However, Metagross can go first if it mega evolves, since it would tie the initiative with the Rattata and would have a higher Dex.

5. There are two ways I think we can approach this: Explosion, and no Explosion

  + Using Explosion means Metagross hits ALL of the nuclear rats, likely KOing every single one before they can move in the process since they're likely rather frail.  

     - However, it also hits all of us.  It would have 15 D6 in that base damage pool (if it doesn't crit), so Arial is looking at taking a 12 D6 attack, while Reiner is looking at taking an 8 D6 attack (since he's technically still wearing the Flak Jacket currently).  Everyone except Frosslad is going to take 8-12 D6 worth of damage if they don't evade successfully.

  + Not using Explosion means trying to minimize how many attacks we take as best as we can.  Metagross, Zeus, and Melchior would probably hit that Raticate's group as best as they could (starting with Raticate), while Mew, Frosslad, and (maybe) Dragonair attempt to KO/Freeze/Flinch as many groups of nuclear vermin as they can before they can next act.  This means Dragonair would first target one of the four groups that move immediately after him, Mew would first target the group that moves immediately after her, and Frosslad would hit the group at the top of the initiative order.

     - However, that means that we might take...5 attacks before Dragonair gets to move, another 15 before Mew gets to move, and (assuming every targeted group of rats is KOed in one hit) another 10 before Mew and Frosslad get to move again (and ideally end the battle).  Most likely, they'll all be single target, low power moves, but the sheer numbers can easily make up for that, particularly if they start dealing SE damage

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(07-13-2018, 03:47 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: Before I make any final decisions, @Spiritmon, let me properly assess the situation now that I'm sitting in front of my laptop.

Quote:1. There are 30 nuclear rats, in 6 groups of 5.  The one lead by Raticate is a little tougher than the rest.

2.Defeating Raticate first may intimidate the Rattata, but they also have a sheer numbers advantage and are single minded in their violent intent, so it also might not

3. They have two particularly nasty things they could do: a Nuclear move of some kind (probably Gamma Ray since they're common pokemon, but Radioacoid or Nuclear Slash could show up too.  Maybe Nuclear Waste as well.  Only Lindworm really has to worry about Nuclear moves, but if Dragonair gets swarmed with enough of them, that's gonna be bad), or potentially Lethal Crunches (which would leave Frosslad and Metagross in a bad way.  Mew can attack while remaining invisible now, so she's fine until she reveals her presence)

4. The turn order is (1 Rattata group), (Dragonair and Metagross), (Raticate's group), (3 Rattata groups), (Melchior; Zeus; Mew; and Arial), (1 Rattata Group), (Reiner; Frosslad; and Lindworm)

  + However, Metagross can go first if it mega evolves, since it would tie the initiative with the Rattata and would have a higher Dex.

5. There are two ways I think we can approach this: Explosion, and no Explosion

  + Using Explosion means Metagross hits ALL of the nuclear rats, likely KOing every single one in the process since they're likely rather frail.  

     - However, it also hits all of us.  It would have 15 D6 in that base damage pool (if it doesn't crit), so Arial is looking at taking a 12 D6 attack, while Reiner is looking at taking an 8 D6 attack (since he's technically still wearing the Flak Jacket currently).  Everyone except Frosslad is going to take 8-12 D6 worth of damage if they don't evade successfully.

  + Not using Explosion means trying to minimize how many attacks we take as best as we can.  Metagross, Zeus, and Melchior would probably hit that Raticate's group as best as they could (starting with Raticate), while Mew, Frosslad, and (maybe) Dragonair attempt to KO/Freeze/Flinch as many groups of nuclear vermin as they can before they can next act.  This means Dragonair would first target one of the four groups that move immediately after him, Mew would first target the group that moves immediately after her, and Frosslad would hit the group at the top of the initiative order.

     - However, that means that we might take...5 attacks before Dragonair gets to move, another 15 before Mew gets to move, and (assuming every targeted group of rats is KOed in one hit) another 10 before Mew and Frosslad get to move again.  Most likely, they'll all be single target, low power moves, but the sheer numbers can easily make up for that, particularly if they start dealing SE damage

So here's the main question: do we think 7 characters taking 8-12 D6 of damage (assuming no evasions were made and Explosion didn't crit, nor accounting for resistances yet) is less than the damage that would be received from taking around 30 weak attacks?

(07-13-2018, 04:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: I ain't revealing what Moves Lindworm's Pokémon know, besides the ones that I already have. He's rather secretive about his Pokémon, especially since he doesn't know if he's going to be a permeant ally of Reiner's or not. Therefore, you'll have to make that judgement call without that bit of info, mates.

(07-13-2018, 04:08 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-13-2018, 04:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: I ain't revealing what Moves Lindworm's Pokémon know, besides the ones that I already have. He's rather secretive about his Pokémon, especially since he doesn't know if he's going to be a permeant ally of Reiner's or not. Therefore, you'll have to make that judgement call without that bit of info, mates.

Well, looking at it again, Twister is a 0 exp move for Dragonair, so Lindworm definitely has access to at least one spread move in the immediate situation.