(07-25-2018, 07:44 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 07:29 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: I would say the Corebook, as I like the mechanic of transferring Pain around to other Targets! Heck, Arial would certain benefit being the recipient of the Move, if nothing else!

Alrighty then!  Sharing the Pain Penalties it is!

Though I should mention that it still isn't possible for a Pain Penalty greater than -3 with Pain Split alone.  I read up on the specifics of it a little.  It basically operates like the HP splitting in the games, but with Pain instead, and it lasts the entire scene instead of being an instantaneous effect.  So if Geigeroach were to get -1 Pain and use Pain Split on something with no pain, her target would have -1 Pain and she'd have none.  The instant the target has accumulated 2+ damage, however, they then both have -1 Pain.

So, in general...

Total Pain:   User's Pain:  Target's Pain:
-1                0                -1
-2               -1                -1
-3               -1                -2
-4               -2                -2
-5               -2                -3
-6               -3                -3

Basically, it works best if the user has accumulated -2 Pain themselves (they're at risk of getting KOed and the effect ending if they're at -3 Pain, obviously).

Or alternatively, Geigeroach can use it on Arial in a teamwork scenario where Arial is at low risk of getting attacked.  That way, he gets a +1 Strength buff right out of the gate as soon as Geigeroach accumulates 2+ damage, and Geigeroach isn't as crippled by Pain.  The downside to this is that Arial needs to accumulate a little Pain of his own to safely get to -2 Pain, and thus +2 Strength (basically meaning Geigeroach has half health or less, and Arial has taken at least 2 damage).  And as before, getting to -3 Pain/+3 Strength is risky business since at least one character would have to be at 1 HP (or KOed?) to do that if items aren't a factor.



Side Note: I also find it interesting that the attack has a note in the book specifically saying the attack does not affect current HP at all

(07-25-2018, 07:54 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 07:49 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: Well, there is a way I been thinking to make Arial get buff of strengh. TPK have the power of three types of shoot, been the body shoot to cause pain in the target. Remember, any kind of damage TPK causes, its reflect on the user. Its just like what happened in the battle against Gyarados.

Pain Split is fairly counterproductive to optimizing that Strength buff, however.  What makes Pain Split valuable is taking away Pain Penalties from Geigeroach and giving it to something else so she doesn't have to deal with them as much.  If Arial stacks huuuge Pain Penalites on himself, they'd start getting shared with Geigeroach and start crippling her rolls quite heavily, even if she still has a lot of HP remaining.

So basically, there's no real way to take advantage of Pain Split to give Arial even more Pain unless Geigerach is the one accruing 'bonus' Pain.  And she probably wouldn't appreciate becoming a pin cushion on purpose at all, no matter how 'helpful' it might be.

(07-25-2018, 08:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 08:00 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

Spoiler

(07-25-2018, 07:54 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 07:49 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: Well, there is a way I been thinking to make Arial get buff of strengh. TPK have the power of three types of shoot, been the body shoot to cause pain in the target. Remember, any kind of damage TPK causes, its reflect on the user. Its just like what happened in the battle against Gyarados.

Pain Split is fairly counterproductive to optimizing that Strength buff, however.  What makes Pain Split valuable is taking away Pain Penalties from Geigeroach and giving it to something else so she doesn't have to deal with them as much.  If Arial stacks huuuge Pain Penalites on himself, they'd start getting shared with Geigeroach and start crippling her rolls quite heavily, even if she still has a lot of HP remaining.

So basically, there's no real way to take advantage of Pain Split to give Arial even more Pain unless Geigerach is the one accruing 'bonus' Pain.  And she probably wouldn't appreciate becoming a pin cushion on purpose at all, no matter how 'helpful' it might be.

But didnt Masoquist ignore pain penalizations? For Arial and all his pokemons? Sure its have the dowside about -1 Defense but still very powerfull

Key words: Only his Pain, and only for him and his Pokémon. Giegeroach isn't his Pokémon, so any Pain he gains and shares it to her....well, that will suck for the big Bug.