(07-25-2018, 08:07 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 08:00 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: But didnt Masoquist ignore pain penalizations? For Arial and all his pokemons? Sure its have the dowside about -1 Defense but still very powerfull

Geigeroach isn't Arial's pokemon.  If she were his, Pain Split wouldn't exactly be very useful if it was used on him.

Using TPK and Pain Split separately from each other in this case seems to be the safe bet.  One lets Arial maximize his raw power while crippling his opponent (better against a single enemy), the other lets Geigeroach offload some of her Pain somewhere beneficial, letting her more easily use multiple actions (best when Arial is not a potential/easy target and he's not using TPK)

(07-25-2018, 08:13 PM)Lord Windos Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 08:07 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

Spoiler

(07-25-2018, 08:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 08:00 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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(07-25-2018, 07:54 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: Pain Split is fairly counterproductive to optimizing that Strength buff, however.  What makes Pain Split valuable is taking away Pain Penalties from Geigeroach and giving it to something else so she doesn't have to deal with them as much.  If Arial stacks huuuge Pain Penalites on himself, they'd start getting shared with Geigeroach and start crippling her rolls quite heavily, even if she still has a lot of HP remaining.

So basically, there's no real way to take advantage of Pain Split to give Arial even more Pain unless Geigerach is the one accruing 'bonus' Pain.  And she probably wouldn't appreciate becoming a pin cushion on purpose at all, no matter how 'helpful' it might be.

But didnt Masoquist ignore pain penalizations? For Arial and all his pokemons? Sure its have the dowside about -1 Defense but still very powerfull

Key words: Only his Pain, and only for him and his Pokémon. Giegeroach isn't his Pokémon, so any Pain he gains and shares it to her....well, that will suck for the big Bug.

Oh. I understand. Any pokemon who dont have a bond or its not in Arial team if get the effects of masoquist...will accumulate pain and eventually this will might affect the dice of rolls...yikes! Its a smart weakness to be honest...

Yeap! Only Arial and his team benefits from Masochist, and anything else just suffers tremendously. Yikes indeed!

Keep in mind that if Pain Penalizations = the total number of Accuracy Dice you have for any one move WITHOUT Bonuses, then Arial or anyone else passes out for awhile. Since Arial has I believe 8-9 Dice for basic Attack Rolls, he can only get 8-9 STR Point before he passes out. That still can give a monsterous 11-12 STR to pass onto his Pokémon, but building up to that level is literally arduiously long, and exceeding the regular - 3 Pain has its own consequences...

(07-25-2018, 08:30 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 08:16 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: Its a interesting strategy. Able to acumullate pain via safer methods then use Pain Split to let the foe have this pain and the same time have some secure boost of strengh when possible. This is something who can be very useful and powerfull.

You know? When I decided to make a crazy char with tendecies to love pain, it never pass though my head this could be a source of power. More Pain = More Power. I never could imagine Arial could be strong as Reiner. Perhaps close, but never a equal. Since he doesnt have anything special: Well, besides the fact about be have resistance against Mind Read, he was not choose to be some sort of Choose One of any Legendary Pokemon. Or have super psychic powers like Reiner. Or be Dragon Tamer or whatever. I believe he would just be a comically relief in this campaigh.

TPK is a fairly 'safe' method for Arial to accumulate additional Pain as it is.  And it automatically shares it with the target, too.  No need for Pain Split to do that (besides, Arial technically can't use Pain Split anyways).  The Pain Split strat is mostly to help Geigeroach do her thing without worrying about getting crippled herself (because as long as Arial/the target hasn't taken any damage, she will likely only ever experience a maximum of -1 Pain if she doesn't hit 1 HP)

In terms of raw, brutal Strength, Arial definitely has Reiner outmatched if TPK is in play (and abused, because you can stack the effects of multiple Body Shots).  Particularly since Arial can use TPK without needing any kind of 'ammo' whatsoever.  I'd say Reiner's main advantages over Arial are his pragmatic resourcefulness and bigger bulk/speed (discounting his psychic abilities).

(07-25-2018, 08:58 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(07-25-2018, 08:40 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: Well, thats and the fact Reiner have a might Legendary Pokemon on his side and also have a Cursed who is the natural weakness of the psychic gun. And have 100% of accuracy and hit the target. If the bullet hit Arial skull with all the strengh...no Masoquist ability in the world can save the madman. Even more if Reiner be able to summon the Reaper once again like the battle against Romeo.

Reiner still a force to be reconized and fear...

Reminder that Mew isn't at her full strength still, and won't be for a loooonnnng time.  In this campaign, she'd have her own Will point pool and 10 points in all her Attributes, Skills, and most specialties if she was at full power.  Scary, game breaking stuff, yo.  But nothing we're likely to see in our gameplay unless a plot device calls for it.

Yeah, if Reiner's using that gun, you probably screwed up really badly or he's incredibly desperate.  A Strength + 8 Extra Lethal Dark attack that ignores Defense with no risk besides potential Recoil is something to really be afraid of, that's for sure.  And if Reiner's summoned the Reaper...that's when things have probably been flushed down the toilet.

TPK is scary in its own right, however.  As Windos said oh so long ago, they're both incredibly dangerous.  TPK is just harder to master than M.E.  One is a blatant 'you're gonna die', and the other is a more nuanced 'you're gonna be crippled until you pass out or go Insane'