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(11-20-2018, 12:15 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

(11-20-2018, 05:21 AM)Spiritmon Wrote: You know, there is thing who anger me in the Gen 7: Mew get a Z-Move, but Mewtwo and Arceus did not. I mean what the hell! The former is a iconic pokemon from the Gen 1 and the is literally the GOD pokemon! So yeah, I think both deserve too to receive Z-Move too.

Mewtwo got two Megas in Gen 6 and a signature move in Gen 5, though.  It didn't really need any more favoritism in Gen 7.

Arceus didn't get an exclusive z-move for 1 main reason: it's not a Gen 1 or 7 pokemon.  Multitype was buffed so that Arceus can use Z-crystals to change its type, however.  

I kinda expect Arceus to get some kind of special treatment if and when Gen 4 remakes become a thing, though.

(11-21-2018, 11:23 AM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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Well, I can understand that now. Perhaps Mewtwo already get a lot of benefits already. And there is the thing even Mew in Gen 6 didnt receive a Mega evolution, so giving Mew a Z-Move I think its a well deserved respect to the progenitor of all pokemon.

But I think Arceus will not get some bonus in the others Z-moves except Normalium Z:

Generation VI onward
If Magic Room is in effect, Judgment's type will always be Normal regardless of the Plate held.
Judgment is unaffected by Normalize, Pixilate, Refrigerate, and Aerilate. However, it is affected by Ion Deluge (if the move would be Normal-type) and Electrify.
Regardless of the user's types, Judgment is always treated as Normal-type for Z-Move mechanics, and can be upgraded to Breakneck Blitz by a Normalium Z.


So yeah, no benefits from other Z-moves. But man, if Gen 4 Remake really become a thing, I would buy for sure if I also have the need money. Story was not exactly very much the focus of Pokemon franchise. Its kinda have one, but the main focus is the trainer in his journey to beat the Elite Four in their Region. Well, not every time *Angering looking at Ash Ketchum* But lets put that aside for now. Like I say, story was not the main focus of the pokemon franchise, but the story of the Team Galatic, and their journey to control the gods pokemon of time and space to make a new universe, thats something interesting. Just a shame their plans was frustrated again by a child (the weakness of any villain organization: a ten year old child) and Cyrus drag to the Reverse World and imprison there by the devil pokemon Giratina. It is problably a boring place...

(11-30-2018, 06:00 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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Welp, its been a while since we post here. Here the old me, lurking in the internet and then I found this video:



Its very interesting, so I decided to make a discussion here since Celadon City works in a more realistic way when talking about Legendaries or moves. Along with Skull Ruins of course^^

To put in short this post: Game theory here make a video about the most dangerous and powerfull moves in the pokemon franchise and how desvastating or dangerous such moves would be in our real world. Using as a example ALL moves release at the moment. He separate all the move until he came with a little list of the most powerfull ones (using the process of elimination process). These moves is: Hail, Aeroblast, Magnitude, Sheer Cold, Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Black Hole Eclipse and Continental Crush.

Lets see...a move who can change the weather into some kind of solid water who hits hard, super air pressure who manifestate in razor like blades, a earthquake who can be weaker or stronger than a Earthquake if you able to get Magnitude 10. A freeze temperature of absolute zero. Two moves who literally capable of extinct the foe in waves of Space and time. A Black Hole who nothing can escape, not even light. And huge rock who literally kill foes with a huge rock.

Spoiler alert: Black Hole won the competition. Basically, Weavile its literally, the most POWERFULL and DANGEROUS pokemon who ever get access to a Z-move in Reiner Team. A move capable of literally, literally, devour all materia in the entire planet if he did not get full control of his Z-move (this could be use as a plot device). Sometimes, Pokemon games doesnt make any sense. Giving children access to a move who literally can end the entire world!

Forget Team Rocket, Team Magma, Team Plasma or any of those buffoons! The one, true enemy....is the big N and Gamefreak for having children access to moves who can end the world!

Anyway, just a fun post here in Celadon City to give a little reflesh. And also to make a quick question to Mew/@Lord Windos: Mew, if you are having access to your full power as the Legendary of Creation and was releasing the Z-move, how you would compare the magnitude of the power? A Atomic bomb, a literally Super Nova, or a Big Bang? Just curious.

(11-30-2018, 10:02 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

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If we're combining the logic of both this campaign and that video, then the winning title would actually go to any Gardevoir that knows Thief that's holding a Darkinium Z.  Gardevoir that know Thief (the only damaging Dark move they can learn as of Gen 7) are internationally banned from using Black Hole Eclipse in the Celadon City campaign's universe.

However, I'd argue that Mew's signature Z-move is more powerful.  Why?  Because it's called Genesis Supernova.  As in, it's an explosion that rivals the power of the Big Bang, the explosion that was the beginning of the universe (according to science, anyways).  When it's interpreted more literally like that...yeah, that's pretty destructive.  You could also argue that Roar of Time and Spacial Rend are potentially just as strong as a black hole/big bang, if not more so, given their own time and space bending traits that could potentially destroy the universe...but at that point, we're probably just nitpicking.

And I think that would probably answer the question of 'how powerful would Mew say a full strength GS is?'  The power she has over creation itself isn't just for show, after all.  (Do forgive me if ya wanted to answer yourself or if my answer is a little inaccurate, Mew.  Windos has been rather busy, as I'm sure you know, so I figured I'd try to speed things along)

(12-01-2018, 05:22 AM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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Well, in my opinion Black Hole Eclipse is still very much strong. As much Roar of Time and Spacial Rend are almighty powerful moves, Black Hole Eclipse is literally, well, a black hole. A massive distortion of time, space and reality who such gravity can devour literally anything: Planets, stars, the sun, anything! Not even the light can escape. If not careful, it's a move who could end the planet. Or worse our entire Galaxy because the more it eat, the bigger it becomes.

(...)

Also I still would like to hear Genesis Supernova by Mew yet.

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(12-01-2018, 02:47 PM)Lord Windos Wrote:

(11-30-2018, 10:02 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote:

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If we're combining the logic of both this campaign and that video, then the winning title would actually go to any Gardevoir that knows Thief that's holding a Darkinium Z.  Gardevoir that know Thief (the only damaging Dark move they can learn as of Gen 7) are internationally banned from using Black Hole Eclipse in the Celadon City campaign's universe.

However, I'd argue that Mew's signature Z-move is more powerful.  Why?  Because it's called Genesis Supernova.  As in, it's an explosion that rivals the power of the Big Bang, the explosion that was the beginning of the universe (according to science, anyways).  When it's interpreted more literally like that...yeah, that's pretty destructive.  You could also argue that Roar of Time and Spacial Rend are potentially just as strong as a black hole/big bang, if not more so, given their own time and space bending traits that could potentially destroy the universe...but at that point, we're probably just nitpicking.

And I think that would probably answer the question of 'how powerful would Mew say a full strength GS is?'  The power she has over creation itself isn't just for show, after all.  (Do forgive me if ya wanted to answer yourself or if my answer is a little inaccurate, Mew.  Windos has been rather busy, as I'm sure you know, so I figured I'd try to speed things along)

(12-01-2018, 05:22 AM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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Well, in my opinion Black Hole Eclipse is still very much strong. As much Roar of Time and Spacial Rend are almighty powerful moves, Black Hole Eclipse is literally, well, a black hole. A massive distortion of time, space and reality who such gravity can devour literally anything: Planets, stars, the sun, anything! Not even the light can escape. If not careful, it's a move who could end the planet. Or worse our entire Galaxy because the more it eat, the bigger it becomes.

(...)

Also I still would like to hear Genesis Supernova by Mew yet.

'........*Sighs* Though I am mostly emotionless right now, I find myself somewhat annoyed by these questions regarding......Genesis Supernova. Especially since I am about to use it on the NRF. I thought Dragonstrike's explanation - forgivably erroneous as it was - would have sufficed enough until Windos decided it was time to move things forward, but I was mistaken.

Very well, I will tell you how powerful Genesis Supernova is. Were I at my full power, and had utilized every means to enhancing both it and the Move's power to their maximum limit, a single Genesis Supernova would have the capacity to destroy an area roughly the size of the entirety of North America, down to 20 kilometers of the crust. The explosion and blast radius would also trigger other devastating natural disaster such as earthquakes, tsunamis, super storms, volcanic eruptions, etc. , and the shock waves and leftover energy would likely spread and damage much of the world outside of the area Genesis Supernova destroyed. In sum, total amount of areas destroy or negatively affected by the Move would equate to a quarter of the Earth, give or take another fifth of it.'

For comparison, a Garvedour using Black Hole Eclipse under similar condition would only eradicate an area the size of Goldenrod down to 5 kilometers of the crust, and only devastate an area of land 3/2 of the Black Holes' circumference briefly, before it fizzles out of existence.

That is what my......Genesis Supernova can do: Destroy everything.  There is no middle ground with the Move, as its lower limits only reduce the amount of devastation it causes to a negligible degree.  Were it not for the fact that my own power is vastly reduced , any Genesis Supernova I could made would at minimum resulted in Celadon being scoured down to bedrock.

And I hate that, even as I am now. Such destructive power.....no one should have it. Yet I do, among so many other Legendaries, and even the likes of Arceas and......them.

.......Does that sate your curiosity, Spiritmon?'

(12-01-2018, 03:27 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: Damn! Indeed sate my curiosity lady Mew. But man, I was thinking Genesis Supernova was powerful, but I didn't think it could be THAT level of power! Legendary Pokemon is indeed almighty beings. 

I still have one question lady Mew: Between all Legendary pokemon, it is true you are the most powerful pokemon in the world? I mean, it's more or less common sense your DNA was the base of the DNA of all Pokemons. 

Not that I being rude, but there is a lot of Legendary and mystics who could have equal or higher powers: Arceus creation powers, Hoopa and his powers to summon legendary, Palkia and Dialga space and time powers, and not to mention Zygarde ability of balance the bioma.

So, despite Arceus, who is the strongest legendary in your world?

(12-01-2018, 04:03 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: Spirit, not to be rude myself, but you're pestering Mew while she's trying to focus.

The general takeaway from this as far as move names go should be that while some pokemon do have the capability to destroy the world and/or universe of they put their mind to it, the names of the attacks that we see in the games are sometimes exaggerated.  Particularly the z-moves, which were purposely designed to be over-the-top.  The names of the signature z-moves are probably the closest to describing exactly how powerful they are. (i.e. Continental Crush's name is not meant to be taken literally, nor is Black Hole Eclipse's when used by pokemon other than Gardevoir)