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Analysis Compendium and Tiering Plans - Printable Version +- Pokemon Uranium (https://pokemonuranium.co/forum) +-- Forum: Pokemon Uranium (https://pokemonuranium.co/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Competitive Discussion (https://pokemonuranium.co/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Thread: Analysis Compendium and Tiering Plans (/showthread.php?tid=112) |
RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Cataclyptic - 09-30-2016 (09-30-2016, 11:29 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: Well, it can learn (and Relearn!) Sketch multiple times, and has equal speed to Nucleon. Have it Sketch Shell Smash, Expunge/Nuclear Slash/Atomic Punch/Earthquake, give it a Flame or Toxic Orb with Quick Feet, and have it run Protect to safely proc the status, and Taunt/Sucker Punch/Flamethrower. Add in max EV's to Speed and Sp.Atk/Atk? You got yourself a plage rat, baby. You could even run focus sash so that it can get a Free Shell Smash off, and then let it sweep to its hearts content. I was hesitant for a minute because people tried to do the same thing to Smeagle since gen 4 and failed, but due to the fact that the Nuclear type exists and Raffiti has actual stats... This thing probably has to go. There was a thing in gen6, Geomancy PowerHerb Smeargle. The basic set was Geomancy+ Baton Pass to an appropriate target and nothing could stop it, same with smashpassing. It was quickly banned due to how broken it was. Since Raffiti can do the same thing only with better stats, I say we at least ban Smashpassing and playtest with it a little bit more. RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - poweroftibarn - 09-30-2016 (09-30-2016, 02:31 AM)Reeveelution Wrote: Strike out Chimaconda, and add S5-1A and Gargyph into the list under my name. Gave you Chimaconda and added S51-A under your name. If you want Gargryph, then you will have to ask jabuloso for it. (09-30-2016, 01:03 PM)Cataclyptic Wrote:(09-30-2016, 11:29 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: Well, it can learn (and Relearn!) Sketch multiple times, and has equal speed to Nucleon. Have it Sketch Shell Smash, Expunge/Nuclear Slash/Atomic Punch/Earthquake, give it a Flame or Toxic Orb with Quick Feet, and have it run Protect to safely proc the status, and Taunt/Sucker Punch/Flamethrower. Add in max EV's to Speed and Sp.Atk/Atk? You got yourself a plage rat, baby. You could even run focus sash so that it can get a Free Shell Smash off, and then let it sweep to its hearts content. Smashpassing isn't even the problem. Raffiti can sweep by himself with Expunge, he doesn't need to pass the Shell Smash boosts on to anyone. RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Lord Windos - 09-30-2016 (09-30-2016, 01:03 PM)Cataclyptic Wrote:(09-30-2016, 11:29 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: Well, it can learn (and Relearn!) Sketch multiple times, and has equal speed to Nucleon. Have it Sketch Shell Smash, Expunge/Nuclear Slash/Atomic Punch/Earthquake, give it a Flame or Toxic Orb with Quick Feet, and have it run Protect to safely proc the status, and Taunt/Sucker Punch/Flamethrower. Add in max EV's to Speed and Sp.Atk/Atk? You got yourself a plage rat, baby. You could even run focus sash so that it can get a Free Shell Smash off, and then let it sweep to its hearts content. Smashpassing isn't even the problem. Raffiti can sweep by himself with Expunge, he doesn't need to pass the Shell Smash boosts on to anyone. Or Atomic Punch, if it can Sketch it from Uyrane. There is also the fact that it has Quick Feet, which combined with either Orb, makes it a speed demon after 1 turn. There are several ways for it to get that first turn, so... RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Cataclyptic - 09-30-2016 [quote pid='1400' dateline='1475268728'] Smashpassing isn't even the problem. Raffiti can sweep by himself with Expunge, he doesn't need to pass the Shell Smash boosts on to anyone. Or Atomic Punch, if it can Sketch it from Uyrane. There is also the fact that it has Quick Feet, which combined with either Orb, makes it a speed demon after 1 turn. There are several ways for it to get that first turn, so... [/quote] Indeed. As you might expect, I'm just trying to avoid slippery slope arguments. I'm guessing this thing needs to go, yes, but I will hold my judgement until sufficient data has come. ... Also, random question, but does anyone know the stats of Atomic Punch, like base power, accuracy and other effects? That would help us over in the wikia. RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Iron - 09-30-2016 I have a copy of moves.txt. 561,ATOMICPUNCH,Atomic Punch,07,80,NUCLEAR,Physical,95,15,15,00,0,abe,"A Punch inbued with radiation, capable of infecting the enemy" I don't have the part where special effects are defined. For comparison here is Air Slash. 159,AIRSLASH,Air Slash,00F,75,FLYING,Special,95,15,30,00,0,bef,The user attacks with a blade of air that slices even the sky. It may also make the target flinch. RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Jabuloso - 09-30-2016 (09-30-2016, 10:12 AM)Cataclyptic Wrote: I'd like to make threads for Yatagaryu and Electruxo if those aren't taken. They'll be as detailed as my last one of that helps, so as to help merge them into Reevee's more easily when the time comes. They're already taken. By me, actually. Sorry. However, if you really wants to do a thread about them, PM me. Although I do want to make a guide about Electruxo, as I already made a very shallow one, I won't mind to give it up. Yatagaryu is mine, though. I'll do my best to do the most detailed and complete guide I can do, don't worry. Therefore, it will take a while until I finish it, as Yatagarayu's analyses deserves a lot more of attention and dedication, and I just don't have enough time right now. I'll first revise my older guides and then post them here. Anyway, if you can, PM me! RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Pokemonerd25 - 09-30-2016 So, atomic punch has 80 power and 95 accuracy. Seems decently broken for a nuclear move. RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Cataclyptic - 09-30-2016 (09-30-2016, 05:40 PM)Jabuloso Wrote:(09-30-2016, 10:12 AM)Cataclyptic Wrote: I'd like to make threads for Yatagaryu and Electruxo if those aren't taken. They'll be as detailed as my last one of that helps, so as to help merge them into Reevee's more easily when the time comes. That's fine, I'll do something else. Might I suggest a set for Yatagaryu though, Life Orb + U turn/Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor, Thunder, Focus Blast? My math says thats the best set save maybe a Nasty Plot set. As for Atomic Punch, that thing is broken for sure. That second 15 is probably the effect byte, see if you can find other moves with the same effect byte and that should be what its effect is, if you can. RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Lord Windos - 09-30-2016 You know what? I say we all come up for movesets for Ratfitti, write description on what they do, then debate their usefulness. When we get enough together, we can make a guide based on those discussions! RE: "Some Opinions on Competitive Uranium" and more - Dragonstrike - 09-30-2016 (09-30-2016, 07:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: You know what? I say we all come up for movesets for Ratfitti, write description on what they do, then debate their usefulness. When we get enough together, we can make a guide based on those discussions! I think that sounds like a great idea for a pokemon with smeargle level versatility but fewer drawbacks. |