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(OLD) Viability Rankings - poweroftibarn - 01-30-2017
UPDATE: Made a new thread with mini sprites that I can edit. Here is the link: http://pokemonuranium.co/forum/showthread.php?tid=869&pid=12492#pid12492
Got bored, so I decided to make this. If you have any issues with certain Pokemon are placed, feel free to let me know. I'm open to any changes as long as you can convince me to make the change. Also, if anyone has pictures of the mini sprites for Urayne-α and the Uranium-exclusive megas, please let me know, I can't find them anywhere.
Urayne Rank: Urayne-α has over 100 base speed, an immensely high special attack of 134, and Radioacid, which is 370 BP against every fully evolved mon in the game except Steels, Nuclears, Laissure, and a handful of less viable monotypes. For Steels and Nuclears, Urayne has access to Fire Blast, which is enough to eviscerate most of them. The long and short of it is that Urayne is the most potent offensive threat in the game, and it has virtually no safe switch-ins, giving it the dubious honor of having it's own rank. Everything I just said about Urayne-α also applies to Urayne-β, since Urayne-β is literally Urayne-α with better stats.
Urayne-α
Urayne-β
Other Nuclears: The rest of the broken nuclears can be found here. Raffiti may not be of the Nuclear typing, but it has access to Nuclear-type moves.
Jerbolta-N
Nucleon
Raffiti
S: Titans of the game. All of these mons are extremely overcentralizing, have little-to-no opportunity cost, and will win the game if they are not prepared for.
Archilles
Archilles-M
Inflagetah
Inflagetah-M
Lanthan
Syrentide-M
Yatagaryu
A Rank: Solid mons with a sizeable effect on the meta, which they either carve through brute force (Cocancer, Fafninter, etc.) or by filling an essential niche that is not efficiently replicated by any other mon (Chainite, Terlard, etc.)
A+:
Alpico
Beliaddon
Cocancer
Electruxo-M
Fafninter
Laissure
Metalynx
Metalynx-M
Seikamater
Tracton
A:
Actan
Antarki
Astronite
Baariette-M
Chimaconda
Kiricorn-M
Krakanao
Luxelong
S51A
S51A-T
Sableye-M
Syrentide
Tubareel
Winotinger
A-:
Arbok-M
Baitatao
Chainite
Garlikid
Gliscor
Gyarados-M
Navighast
Oblivicorn
Terlard
Whimsicott-M
B Rank: These mons are decent, but they have flaws that prevent them from reaching A rank. They can still be quite effective, however, they generally require paying a higher opportunity cost and are not quite as splashable as mons in higher ranks
B+:
Ampharos-M
Anderind
Coatlith
Daikatuna
Dramsama-M
Dunseraph
Espeon
Glavinug
Gyarados
Neopunk
Stenowatt
Sylveon
Whimsicott
B:
Baariette
Baariette-MN
Brainoar
Drilgann-M
Empirilla
Escartress
Gararewl
Gellin
Gellin-N
Kiricorn
Leviathao
Nimflora
Sableye
Theriamp
B-:
Barand
Blubelrog
Drilgann
Eshouten-N
Frosthra
Harptera
Jolteon
Paraboom
Vaporeon
Umbreon
C: These mons are somewhat useless. If anyone wants to sort them into seperate ranks, then by all means, go ahead, I just don't have the motivation to do so
Ampharos
Arbok
Arbok-N
Arbok-MN
Aromatisse
Baariette-N
Barand-N
Corsoreef
Corsoreef-N
Dermafrost
Dramsama
Electruxo
Eshouten
Feliger
Firoke
Flareon
Floatzel
Frikitiki
Gargryph
Geigeroach
Glaceon
Gliscor-N
Gyarados-N
Gyarados-MN
Haagross
Haagross-N
Harylect
Hazma
Herolune
Jerbolta
Kinetmunk
Kinetmunk-N
Krilvolver
Leafeon
Luchabra
Luchabra-N
Ludicolo
Majungold
Miasmedic
Mismagius
Pajay
Paraboom-N
Praseopunk
Splendifowl
Sponaree
Tanscure
Tanscure-N
Titanice
Tofurang
Tofurang-N
Trawpint
Trawpint-N
Tubareel-N
Vilucard
Xenoqueen
RE: Viability Rankings - Lord Windos - 01-31-2017
Glad to see that you are still around, barn! I agree with your list, and am sadden by the derth of Nuclear types and Dramsama in C listing. I wish they would be more viable, but tis a dream, for now...
RE: Viability Rankings - Narshyl - 01-31-2017
I am quite curious to the reasoning behind some places. You must know some stuff i dont. (yet)
What i will say is that i dont feel that Gararewl deserves to be placed that high up, having used and tested it myself i found it to be underwhelming. its really good at stopping Nucleon and thats about it.
RE: Viability Rankings - magicarpe_lvl100 - 01-31-2017
It can't even stop nucleon , because it lacks of a reliable recovery and is vulnerable to HP fire and shadow ball. It will only tank few hits before dying , and doesn't have many options. This pokemon reminds me of Steelix , and you know , Steelix is NU . I think Gararewl doesn't deserve a better rank than B...
RE: Viability Rankings - Lord Windos - 01-31-2017
Hmm, I wonder if Evolite Dewrewl would work better as a solid counter to Nucleon. Better defenses at the cost of its higher health, so how would that balance out?
RE: Viability Rankings - Narshyl - 01-31-2017
(01-31-2017, 11:44 AM)magicarpe_lvl100 Wrote: It can't even stop nucleon , because it lacks of a reliable recovery and is vulnerable to HP fire and shadow ball. It will only tank few hits before dying , and doesn't have many options. This pokemon reminds me of Steelix , and you know , Steelix is NU . I think Gararewl doesn't deserve a better rank than B...
Have you ever Tried gararewl? Shadow ball and HP fire dont do much at all vs a SpDef invested Gararewl. It's an incredible Nucleon counter. but aside from that it just isn't very good.
RE: Viability Rankings - Lord Windos - 01-31-2017
So, anyone know why Ratfitti is up there in SSS? I might have thought it would be lower, but still totally OP. Why is Tertlard in A-, too? I thought the its sucked hard.
RE: Viability Rankings - poweroftibarn - 01-31-2017
(01-31-2017, 08:44 AM)Narshyl Wrote: I am quite curious to the reasoning behind some places. You must know some stuff i dont. (yet)
What i will say is that i dont feel that Gararewl deserves to be placed that high up, having used and tested it myself i found it to be underwhelming. its really good at stopping Nucleon and thats about it.
Placed Gararewl at that rank because it's position as a pure steel type is entirely unique. Being a pure Steel type, it is the only mon in the game with the exception of other Nuclear types who outright resist Nuclear attacks. Remember that Nucleon isn't the only threatening Nuclear, Urayne, nuclear-move Raffiti, and Jerbolta-N are also massive threats, and having something that resist their stab as opposed to just taking Neutral from it is very useful. AV Gararewl is practically the only way to reliably check Urayne
(01-31-2017, 01:28 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: Glad to see that you are still around, barn! I agree with your list, and am sadden by the derth of Nuclear types and Dramsama in C listing. I wish they would be more viable, but tis a dream, for now...
Dramsama is truly in a sad state, although the mega is semi decent (although it is not great). The reason why most of the Nuclears are in C rank is because the existence of a few broken Nuclear types (Urayne and Nucleon) make using any of the others completely unjustifiable, since they are outright outclassed. If Urayne and crew are banned/nerfed (preferably banned), then I can definitely see scarfed variants of certain Nuclears like Xenoqueen becoming balanced, but powerful threats.
(01-31-2017, 02:04 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: Hmm, I wonder if Evolite Dewrewl would work better as a solid counter to Nucleon. Better defenses at the cost of its higher health, so how would that balance out?
Gararewl is definitely better than Dearewl since Dearewl is part Rock, and Rock is one of the worst defensive typings in the game. Also, it would lose out on Gararewl's niche of being one of the few mons capable of resisting Nuclear moves
(01-31-2017, 04:59 PM)Lord Windos Wrote: So, anyone know why Ratfitti is up there in SSS? I might have thought it would be lower, but still totally OP. Why is Tertlard in A-, too? I thought the its sucked hard.
Raffiti is SSS because it get Nuclear moves (this includes signature moves such as Atomic Punch, Quantum Leap, and Expunge) without paying the price of being a Nuclear type. It also gets Shell Smash and any coverage options you could possibly wish for (likely Fire-type coverage to deal with Steels). What ultimately puts it in SSS though is it's access to Spore (when Spore gets released). Thanks to Spore, Raffiti auto-wins against most teams simply by being sent in on a mon that is slower than it initially. Terlard is A- because it gets Arena Trap, which is a really good ability
RE: Viability Rankings - magicarpe_lvl100 - 01-31-2017
(to Lord windos) For Terlard my analysis is coming , soon... you will see it doesn't suck. At all .
RE: Viability Rankings - poweroftibarn - 01-31-2017
I should also probably mention that I currently have no way of editing the post atm. This forum has a 24 image limit, so I made multiple posts in order to fit all of the mini sprites. Unfortunately, all of the posts merged into a single post, and whenever I go to edit the post, the forum does not let me save changes because I am breaking the image limit