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RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - PhantomUnderYourDesk - 03-03-2021
Am busy at the moment, but I wanted to chip in regardless real quickly so that none needs to wait on me:
- I don't really have an opinion about whether or not recton anything, leaving this decision up to you people. If you feel it's necessary and better to do so to avoid unnecessary(!) drama and conflict in the current situation - with an emphasis on 'unnecessary', as drama and conflicts are interesting and can show a good amount of a chara's personality, it's just that those that are unpleasant and problematic that are no fun - then go for it, I'll edit my posts accordingly. If not and things are left as they are, that's fine too!
- The only thing I DON'T want to change or edit is Kee offering Forretress an Oran Berry. It's just what he in-chara would totally and absolutely do, seeing how brave and protective they are despite being at -3 Pain. Just...please let me and him do that, whether you see the Berry as wasted on the enemy or not.
- Haven't thought about what alignment would match Ziggy Kee, but chaotic good feels right and fitting. He has suffered more than enough in life to not wanting others to suffer and just wishes to do what he feels is right as well as protect those he cares for with everything he has - if he needs to break a rule or two or venture into a grey area to do so, he will do so without much of a second thought.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - no one - 03-03-2021
I'm not in a position to be able to look all of that stuff up atm Windos (sorry, I'm posting from my phone), but I don't think we should be rewriting the scene mostly because these kind of moral choices kinda define a character, and I wouldn't want to take that away. Also, I don't think Marcus jumped the gun. Pyra was about to commit a crime, and Marcus was threatening to report it. It doesn't really get any more complex than that. I also definitely agree with Phantom's thing about the berry. Even if they are just an NPC, the characters we portray kinda have to be true to themselves, regardless of our opinions on stuff. If Kee would normally offer aid to a beaten enemy, Kee should do so. We just have to be careful to not let in character drama to leak out into the real world, cos that just ruins everyone's fun. I've been guilty of it, and from what I've seen from SR, some of you have too. Gotta be careful to not repeat that mistake. If I get outvoted in terms of the retcon, I'll happily change my posts for the sake of having less OOC drama. I'll wait till we've made a decision on the retcon stuff before posting again though.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Dragonstrike - 03-03-2021
If we don't retcon anything (be it parts of posts or entire posts), I have something in mind for the scenario, but I don't think it will resolve any of the issues present outright.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Spiritmon - 03-03-2021
(03-03-2021, 09:27 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: If we don't retcon anything (be it parts of posts or entire posts), I have something in mind for the scenario, but I don't think it will resolve any of the issues present outright.
What you have in mind Dragon besides the retcon Dragon?
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Dragonstrike - 03-03-2021
(03-03-2021, 10:22 AM)Spiritmon Wrote:(03-03-2021, 09:27 AM)Dragonstrike Wrote: If we don't retcon anything (be it parts of posts or entire posts), I have something in mind for the scenario, but I don't think it will resolve any of the issues present outright.
What you have in mind Dragon besides the retcon Dragon?
It's a secret. But I will say it would 100% put the current argument on hold, and everyone probably won't like it.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Lord Windos - 03-03-2021
(03-03-2021, 08:18 AM)no one Wrote: I'm not in a position to be able to look all of that stuff up atm Windos (sorry, I'm posting from my phone), but I don't think we should be rewriting the scene mostly because these kind of moral choices kinda define a character, and I wouldn't want to take that away. Also, I don't think Marcus jumped the gun. Pyra was about to commit a crime, and Marcus was threatening to report it. It doesn't really get any more complex than that. I also definitely agree with Phantom's thing about the berry. Even if they are just an NPC, the characters we portray kinda have to be true to themselves, regardless of our opinions on stuff. If Kee would normally offer aid to a beaten enemy, Kee should do so. We just have to be careful to not let in character drama to leak out into the real world, cos that just ruins everyone's fun. I've been guilty of it, and from what I've seen from SR, some of you have too. Gotta be careful to not repeat that mistake. If I get outvoted in terms of the retcon, I'll happily change my posts for the sake of having less OOC drama. I'll wait till we've made a decision on the retcon stuff before posting again though.
I think he did because he went straight for the threats and didn't seek to try and understand WHY Pyra was so insistent on 'killing' Conk, but hey, that is just my opinion. Plus Pyra didn't think what she was doing was crime worthy, so threatening her just seems especially too drastic for her tastes.
I was not trying to use the Retcon to undo the Oran Berry thing either. I'm fine with that OOC for the most part, though I WILL say that if your characters keep acting like that (IE Using OUR Items on Enemies instead of ourselves, without first asking the group) I'm going to start becoming more cross about such things. I understand that you have to 'play your character true' , but I don't think that should be an absolute excuse to do as you wish with your chara without some oversight and explanations. Heck, I never got away with anything more dubious Pyra was trying to do IC and got blasted for it on a couple of for it OOC, so it appears there is some sort of double standard at play here , or some threshold that suddenly makes 'Being true to yoru chara' not okay.
I've always been willing to compromise, however, even if it makes things much less fun and more frustrating for me, so that's why I try not to raise too much of a fuss at 'charas being charas' too much OOC. Perhaps be a little snide about it, but that's more for humor's shake than anything else.
Now seeing everyone's opinion, it seems like a retcon is more or less the agreed solution, so long as it isn't TOO radical. So Dragonstrike, would it be possible for us to rewind things BEFORE Marcus started to threaten him, but not affect any posts prior to that one? In that gap Kee/Kogeki/Dax could put a stop to thinks by clearing up the misunderstanding or diffusing things entirely, so it wouldn't be that drastic of a rewrite, me thinks. Thinking about it, Spirit's current post could probably just be retooled a bit and used as the conflict ender, and all I had to do beyond deleting the Rant Post is editing my last post to fit in with the new reality. Wouldn't clear things up too much, but it'd still show off a bit of Pyra's and Kogeki's deeper character, and probably get the group to thinking that maaaaybe constantly needling the demoness about her habits without a gentler touch, resorting to mindgames, or reacting too strongly isn't too good of an idea.
Oh, and if the counter measure you have is so bad/special that you have to mystery box it, I want no part in it. The less I know about something OOC, the less I want to deal with it since I have no way of preparing for it beyond pure paranoia.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Spiritmon - 03-03-2021
I holding a answer post because I still thinking about how things will be retcon. I agree with Windos about at least keep that lasts posts of Pyra and Kogeki to show some sort of character growth. But that's just my opinion. I will wait until the decision be made and I make a post to reflect the new retcon situation.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Dragonstrike - 03-03-2021
I can edit Marcus's response to Pyra's initial remarks be a little gentler/informational if we're all on the same page now, sure. I had an idea for something Marcus could say that should hopefully steer this in a more favorable direction.
Every post save one after this one will need to be deleted, @Lord Windos and @Spiritmon. The only post that does not need to be removed is Kogeki's initial response to being shooed away by Forretress (though it may need some minor editing).
I shall edit the linked post after the indicated player posts are deleted. Do not post in the game thread until I have indicated I am finished with the editing.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Lord Windos - 03-03-2021
(03-03-2021, 02:16 PM)Dragonstrike Wrote: I can edit Marcus's response to Pyra's initial remarks be a little gentler/informational if we're all on the same page now, sure. I had an idea for something Marcus could say that should hopefully steer this in a more favorable direction.
Every post save one after this one will need to be deleted, @Lord Windos and @Spiritmon. The only post that does not need to be removed is Kogeki's initial response to being shooed away by Forretress (though it may need some minor editing).
I shall edit the linked post after the indicated player posts are deleted. Do not post in the game thread until I have indicated I am finished with the editing.
Alrighty, I'll get to deleting my posts then! I'll back them up just in case I can salavage some parts of them (and I recommend Spirit does the same with his), but if not they can still be a part of my own personal Archive of Mistakes!
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Lord Windos - 03-03-2021
Deleted my posts now, so all that is left is Spirits then. Now I need to head to work, so hopefully everything improves in the meantime while I'm gone!