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RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Spiritmon - 07-14-2023
(07-14-2023, 09:12 AM)no one Wrote: Okay cool.
Then it can be:
Gigalith Group: Zeraora, Dedenne, Bunnelby, Enamorus
Archeops Group: Roserade, Rhyperior
Butterfree Group: Kogeki, Kee, Hoopa, Snom, Rolycoly
Victreebel Group: Madame Twintails, Emolga, Karen, Platina
Probopass Group: Daxter, Sheena, Rowlet, Keldeo
There is one problem though: There a chance that Enamorous might either dont summoned or might turned into her Therian Form, the form of hatred since we are in the mirror realm. If things get nasty we might have to face a powerfull angry being full of hatred, and maybe a enemy strong and dangerous as Tornadus and Thunderous, IF not stronger.
However, we have Keldeo, Hoopa and Zeraora 3 Legendaries/Mystics to help us. And we have Daxter, Roserade, Rhyperior, Kogeki, Kee, Snom, Rolycoly, Madame Twintails, Emolga, Karen, Platina, Sheena, Dedenne, Bunnelby and Rowlet (15 Pokemon). It will be 1x18 Pokemon. Even if she is a Legendary Pokemon, we have the number advantage.
However, the enemies might take advantage of this and this will increase to...16 (all the enemies combined) + 1 Enamorous vs 18 of us. And Enamorous would be around equivalent of 2 or 3 Pokemon of us alone. Maybe more? So I say that would be a 50/50 chance of either side win, depending of the circustances.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Dragonstrike - 07-14-2023
Let me say this regarding Enamorus: if Hoopa summons Enamorus in this battle and she's aggressive (and remember you're still in the Mirror World, so she'll be in her Therian form), only the group that Hoopa is in will be in combat with her initially. The different groups of wild pokemon will be isolated from each other effectively until they are wiped out.
Having to fight both the horde and Enamorus simultaneously could be very dangerous for a small group of pokemon, and the others will not be able to assist immediately because you have to divide the work to not be overwhelmed (this Monster House is bigger than a typical one would be).
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Spiritmon - 07-14-2023
I think for now, we cannot summon Enamorous. Only in truly emergency situation. This looks like a emergency situation at first, but it is a manager one.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - no one - 07-15-2023
Right, I forgot about that. Could we summon Jirachi without troubles?
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Dragonstrike - 07-15-2023
(07-15-2023, 12:10 AM)no one Wrote: Right, I forgot about that. Could we summon Jirachi without troubles?
Currently, Enamorus is the only Legendary that Hoopa can summon. They are not strong enough yet to summon a Legendary that isn't expecting it to happen/willing to be summoned.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - no one - 07-15-2023
Okay then, no summons. Just:
Gigalith Group: Zeraora, Dedenne, Bunnelby
Archeops Group: Roserade, Rhyperior
Butterfree Group: Kogeki, Kee, Hoopa, Snom, Rolycoly
Victreebel Group: Madame Twintails, Emolga, Karen, Platina
Probopass Group: Daxter, Sheena, Rowlet, Keldeo
How does that sound to everyone?
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Lord Windos - 07-15-2023
Alright mates, I'm back from work and had a little bit of rest so I can function and brainstorm properlyy! Let's see what ideas you've guys come up with in the meantime!
So, to recap, this is the overall opposition we're up against, and the resources we can draw from:
Quote:The five groups of allies are as follows:
- Platina, Kogeki, Kee, and Hoopa
- Daxter, Karen, Braixen/Sheena, Rolycoly, Snom, and Rowlet
- Roserade and Rhyperior
- Madame Twintales, Keldeo, and Emolga
- Zeraora, Dedenne, and Bunnelby
You may also swap the placements of players and NPCs other than Braixen/Sheena, Roserade, and Rhyperior if desired. Simply let me know who you would like to be in which group in the meta thread. These are simply the default group placements.
- Roserade and Rhyperior will always be paired together and will wipe out the group they're assigned without any further assistance.
- Braixen/Sheena will always be paired with Daxter since he's about the only pokemon she trusts here at the moment.
- Hoopa must also accompany the group that currently has the Djinn's Bottle. Kee is currently holding it, but the bottle may be given to another individual who can carry it if Hoopa is needed elsewhere.
- Every group should have at least 3 pokemon in it. The exception is Roserade and Rhyperiors' group as they're strong enough on their own to not need a third pokemon in their group.
The five groups of wild pokemon are as follows:
- A Gigalith, a Swadloon, and a Lillipup
- An Archeops, a Plusle, and a Minun
- A Butterfree, a Petilil, and a Carbink
- A Victreebel, a Ledyba, and a Sudowoodo
- A Probopass, a Mime Jr., and a Crustle
The Probopass, Gigalith, Archeops, Butterfree, and Victreebel also radiate a menacing, shadowy aura that flares whenever the black lightning from the dark storm above strikes.
Right now, I'll leave aside the Protag's strengths and weaknesses, and dive into the enemies instead, as doing so will be more informative about WHAT we're up against and HOW we should approach it.
Team Gigalith is essentially harder version of the Boldore boss fight everyone went through. So long as the big rocky boi doesn't have Explosion, the worst everyone has to deal with is Spread Rock Slide, Spread Razor Leaf, and occassional Sleep shenanigans via Grass Whistle from Swadloon. Rock Blast can also be potential problem initially if it has it, but focus firing on it should drastically reduce the overall effectiveness of that Move. Sandstorm is also a threat, but I doubt it has it or the Ability since the fight didn't start in the midsts of one as soon as it entered the battlefield.
Team Archeops is pretty much as Dragonstrike described it: extreme front loads of power, but drops off drastically when you drop a mouse and can cripple the dino bird. Archeops has the potential to ramp with Agility and the go ham, but I'm more worried about the mousy duo myself: Pluse and Minus is quite powerful, and Electric attacks are notorious for their Paralysis and crowd control potential.
Team Butterfree is hell on appendages, as if they don't have a metric arseton of nasty tricks, crippling status, and troublesome tenacity I'll eat my hat. Butterfree has no shortage of Powder Moves to waylay us all, and Confusion and team support on top of that between Supersonic and Safeguard. If it has Silver Wind, however, then EVERYONE could be in for a bad time depending on how Dragonstrike handles it.... Petil pretty much presents the same threat as Butterfree (Joy), but worse in a differnt way somehow: Helping Hand. If it decides to keep buffing Butterfree with it and it decides to unleash it's strongest Shadow Moves it'll be lights out VERY quickly for whomever fights it. After You is also a potential annoyance it can inflict, if it's feeling particularly spiteful. Carbink, by contrast, is blessidly simple at our current level: the worst it can do I believe is put up a Light Screen and ramp with Rock Polish, and even in the later case it doesn't have access to particularly nasty Moves to abuse RP with (sans Flail, though that can easily be countered by ignoring it until the other two are DOWN and then dogpiling it before it gets the chance to use it's buffed version).
Team Victreebel more or less posses the same threat as Team Butterfree, but with a far more offensive bent than then disruptive hell Butterfree's cohorts are capable of. As a Stone Evo Victreebel pretty much has a shitload of Moves it can inflict on all of us, which include but are not limited to: Powder Moves, Acid (Spread Damage!), Knock Off, Leaf Tornado, Poison Jab, Wrap, and Swallow (It IS a carnivorous Pokemon, so if Dragonstrike is feeling evil....). If it pickup any nasty tricks from it's Pre-Evo Forms, all the worse for us! Sudowoodo is arguably even WORSE, however: Wood Hammer is one hell of a whammy even without STAB, and if Dragonstrike is feeling mean it could also have Hammer Arm and STONE EDGE (Lethal Damage!) to back it up. Failing that is has Mimic and Copycot to become a wild card, Faint Attack to ensure it has at least one attack that is reliable, and Rock Slide and Rock Tomb on the higher end of 'how to best ruin us' level of danger. Lebdya is, by contrast, a lesser Butterfree: annoying, but far less of a threat than either of its teammates.
Team Probopass is a different kinda tricky than the past two teams. The big nose mon itself has Gravity to forcibly ground any Fliers, Wide Guard as Spread Insurance, Magnet Rise to counter one of it's main weaknesses, and Tri-Attack for some big damage and who knows how many statuses that'll be forced down someone's throat. Potential threats are Rock Slide, Thunder Wave, and Power Gem, but what really worries me in particular is Dischrage: that's basically Eletric Type Earthquake in PMD AND Pokerole, which means if it uses it EVERYONE in the Room is getting whammied, not just the party attacking it. Mime Jr. has Tickle and Reflect/Light Screen to make taking out Probopass a nightmare to deal with, and it has Encore to punish pretty much any Pokemon that has a Action Line Up that is Damage Light or weak to Luck Dice shenanigans. Crustle, by contrast, is just a brute: Fury Cutter is a real bitch if it leads with it, and it has Slash (LETHAL!), Bug Bite (Berries and Seeds, begone!), and Rock Slide otherwise to be a huge and deadly nuisense. We can't even safely gang up on it due to potentially having Flail to give it a huge beatstick as its HP drops. Yikes.
So, how would I rate each of them on pure threat level? Like so:
1. Team Probopass: Lethal and Heavy Damage + Ready Access to Mutli-Hit Moves + Extreme Disruption Moves = Bad Times ® for EVERYONE.
2. Team Victreebel: Samea as T.P. , but to a lesser extent. Beware getting snacked on by the big plant, though!
3. Team Butterfree: Anyone fighting these guys will know pain and annoyance like no other. If someone gets Poisoned, all the worse!
4. Team Gigalith*: Powerful, but not particular too tricky or nasty if the bug is ganged up on and eliminated ASAP. However, if Gigalith knows Explosion it immediately rockets the team up to rank 1 - AoE and LETHAL Damage is horrifyingly powerful.
5. Team Archeops: Extremely powerful in the beginning (liking causing it's power to seem a couple of ranks high than it is), but once enough damage is done it'll crumple like styrofoam. So long as you strike faster and harder than them before it can push it's early game advantages, they're toast.
That leads us to out next question: which Pokemon are best at combating which teams? Well let's hear what no one has to say about that:
(07-14-2023, 02:37 AM)no one Wrote:
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SpoilerHonestly, I agree with sending Roserade and Rhyperior against Archeops: fast and extreme force is the perfect counter to that team in particular.
I also have no problems with the team against Gigalith: they nicely can overwhelm the lot before the big rocky boi can even think of using Explosion (if it has it), and Enamorus is nicely contested by said rocky boi if she flies out of control.
Probopass' Group is risky, however: Big Nose has a BUNCH of Electric Moves that would be nasty to Dax and Keldeo, and I'm unsure how vulnerable they are to Encoure shenanigans or Crustle going the Lethal Route with Slash. On the other hand, if the two Water Types can down either one of the big threats on this team ASAP then that could be enough to tilt things in their favor decisively....
The other two groups are fine enough, though I will say that between Platina's Steel Type and Persim Scarf she's pretty much a hard counter to all but Stun Spore from Butterfree (and with 4 DEX she can shrug it off to an extent), can decisively wallop the whole group with either Peak, Thundershock, or Steel Wing, and has perhaps the best chance of recruiting Pokemon due to being naturally charismatic. With that in mind I suggest switching her with Kogeki between the Teams outlined by no one: she has a greater potential to do more good in that set-up, Kogeki has a solidly better match-up against Victreebel and friends (Mime Jr. is food for him, Poison type attacks are less effective, has an Ability that'll let him and his team know what whammy Moves that team has, etc.), and she can try to recruit Petil and Buttefree after all is said and done if anyone wishes. How does that sound @Spiritmon ?
Regardless of how we divide things up, keep in mind the follow:
- SHADOW POKEMON
- Which Pokemon has Spread Moves (particular the Flitching ones)
- Which Pokemon potentially has Lethal Damage in its kit
- Which Pokemon has Status in its kit (particularly POISON)
- Which Pokemon has a nasty gimmick (Mime Jr springs to mind, but Butterfree's entire team is this too, and any Pokemon with access to Flail is best left unbullied until the whole group can gang up on them without distraction)
Prioritize taking out threats in descending order of the list: Shadow Pokemon are wild cards of mass devastation that need to be kow towed pronto, Spread Moves rack up damage FAST on whole teams, Lethal Damage is horrible to deal with this far out from civilization, Status is the very definition of a crippling game changer, and nasty gimmicks are just that.
Alright, with all that said, tell me what you guys think and what your plans are now!
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Spiritmon - 07-15-2023
I agree. If I increase my strengh and Dexterity, Kogeki will be able to hit more quick and hard. Not to mentioned I will get more accuracy dice for bulk up, but I dont think I will have time to get a buff. So take this as a grain of salt.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - PhantomUnderYourDesk - 07-16-2023
(07-15-2023, 10:15 AM)Lord Windos Wrote: (...)
Prioritize taking out threats in descending order of the list: Shadow Pokemon are wild cards of mass devastation that need to be kow towed pronto, Spread Moves rack up damage FAST on whole teams, Lethal Damage is horrible to deal with this far out from civilization, Status is the very definition of a crippling game changer, and nasty gimmicks are just that.
Alright, with all that said, tell me what you guys think and what your plans are now!
Many many thanks for the analysis, my dear!~ I honestly have to admit that I haven't looked deeper into all the foes yet, so you sharing your thoughts on which foe proposes what sort of threat is mightily useful. All in all it's looking good to me and I agree with everything, so me feels Initiative can be rolled out then! Will decide on what actions to take once that's been shared.
RE: [Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows - Spiritmon - 07-16-2023
Just a question: Should I go after Victreebel team or the team where Mime Jr is? I got a bit confused about what is the best choice.