(09-27-2016, 08:31 AM)poweroftibarn Wrote: Swords Dance really is superior to Hone Claws, I would never use Hone Claws if SD was an option.
I dunno, my logic here is that its base Atk stat is high enough to not warrant SD if you have Moxie available, assuming you switch into something that can be KO'd by EQ/Subduction/what have you after only a one stage boost. If the moves in the set besides HC don't have 100% accuracy, then my observation is that letting the moves hit is more valuable than jumping them up an extra stage in power then netting a possibly fatal miss the next turn. I like to roll the dice, but I don't like gambling on accuracy, especially if I'm trying to sweep. To each their own, of course, if HC isn't deemed valuable enough to make it into any of the sets in the first post, then I won't make a fuss. Just thought it was worth a mention.
(09-27-2016, 08:31 AM)poweroftibarn Wrote: Your first observation about Subduction not having a 100% chance to confuse the user is really interesting however. If what you are saying is true, then Lanthan's Sheer Force ability overrides Subduction's confusion chance entirely, since not being 100% would mean that the confusion is a secondary effect and would go away with Sheer Force.
It's only a guess. Again, it MAY have simply bugged on me since I haven't seen anyone else report the same thing I did.
As for the Sheer Force arm of the discussion, it doesn't negate primary effects inflicted on the user, only secondary effects inflicted on the opponent (the speed drop that affects anything that survives Subduction). This means for maximum impact, you should probably have a Safeguard user set things up before sending out Lanthan, so you get a few turns to spam Subduction and hope the opponent doesn't switch in anything that flies or Levitates.
