Competitive Guide: M-Arbok

[Lord Windos]

It makes it less powerful, yes, but I don't think sub was broken enough like Baton Pass to be nerfed in such a way. Logically, sound based moves getting past it make sense, but mechanically it more or less invalidates Substitute's purpose in the first place, which doesn't make much sense at all. I'm fine with Infiltrator getting past sub, since its an ability that makes ALL moves get past it, and not just a sub-sub category of them. Plus, it requires the Pokémon to sacrifice another usefull ability to just counter Sub users, which is fair play in my book.

Its not a big issue usually, but in cases like Nucleon it highlights how ridiculous the new mechanic to Subs is. Oy viee......

How was Baton Pass nerfed again? Or maybe you're referring to the recent ban on the move that smogon decided for Showdown

Smogen nerf/bann. I play a lot of Showdown occasionaly, so that factored into my comment. Sorry for the confusion!