09-24-2017, 11:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-24-2017, 11:27 AM by shademonkey.)
@Cataclyptic This may surprise you but I'm actually fine with the way things are for the Nuclear typing.
As you said it, it is the gimmick of the game and that's what it was always meant to be. I've made my peace with that. If the original devs wanted to create a new typing that's fair and balanced, they would have made Sound or Light or whatever and I'm sure they would have given it balanced sensibilities. But that's not what it is, Nuclear only exists because of thematical reasons. What you suggest would certainly nerf their power (and trust me, there's nothing I'd like more than balance in this meta) but I'm not sure it would make a lot of sense for the Tandor region to be afraid of Nuclear pokemon if they weren't that dangerous. Kinda defeats the original purpose.
Now as far Nuclear-type pokemon themselves are concerned, the only one I see online in competitive play is Nucleon. I've never even encountered the other ones once. There are a few reasons :
1) It is one of the fastest of Nuclear-types out there.
2) The Atomizate ability is its ultimate niche.
3) It is one of the only Nuclear-types that you can breed, the other ones being Hazma, the Xenomite line and Geigeroach.
1) You said it, Speed is everything for a Nuclear 'mon. Since almost every one of them has average Speed at best, they're likely to get outsped by every relevant threat in the meta. Their only option is to boost their Speed somehow. Nucleon does this by holding a Choice Scarf, others would perhaps rather hold another item (Gyaradosite, Baariettite, Toxic Orb for Gliscor, Life Orb for Gellin, etc). Setting up with Agility or Rock Polish in Kinetmunk's and Gliscor's case, respectively, is suicidal, given that they're weak to pretty much every attack.
2) What else can Nuclear formes provide to the original? Certainly not resistances, no other fancy abilities... Sure, Nuclear moves grant universal coverage but, not every Nuclear-type has as spammable a stab as Nucleon. Besides, N-Gyarados, N-Eshouten, N-Arbok don't even get a physical Nuclear stab.
3) What else is there to say? Why use a pokemon whose IV you have no control over, and whose nature you have to Synchronize-hunt?
These three reasons are what I think rule out Nuclear pokemon other than Nucleon in a competitive team.
Now if there's something that deserves to be balanced in the game, I don't think that that's the sensibilities to Nuclear. Rather the statistics of the pokemon, which are far too extreme in my opinion.
I wish there were some kind of kind of smogon-like ruling authority for Pokemon Uranium, that way we could submit proposals concerning tiers and possible bans on Pokemon/Abilities/Item/Moves. I know I would want to ban Atomizate, 'cause that's what needs to be nerfed, not your average Nuclear Trawpint.
Let's make this happen. o/
As you said it, it is the gimmick of the game and that's what it was always meant to be. I've made my peace with that. If the original devs wanted to create a new typing that's fair and balanced, they would have made Sound or Light or whatever and I'm sure they would have given it balanced sensibilities. But that's not what it is, Nuclear only exists because of thematical reasons. What you suggest would certainly nerf their power (and trust me, there's nothing I'd like more than balance in this meta) but I'm not sure it would make a lot of sense for the Tandor region to be afraid of Nuclear pokemon if they weren't that dangerous. Kinda defeats the original purpose.
Now as far Nuclear-type pokemon themselves are concerned, the only one I see online in competitive play is Nucleon. I've never even encountered the other ones once. There are a few reasons :
1) It is one of the fastest of Nuclear-types out there.
2) The Atomizate ability is its ultimate niche.
3) It is one of the only Nuclear-types that you can breed, the other ones being Hazma, the Xenomite line and Geigeroach.
1) You said it, Speed is everything for a Nuclear 'mon. Since almost every one of them has average Speed at best, they're likely to get outsped by every relevant threat in the meta. Their only option is to boost their Speed somehow. Nucleon does this by holding a Choice Scarf, others would perhaps rather hold another item (Gyaradosite, Baariettite, Toxic Orb for Gliscor, Life Orb for Gellin, etc). Setting up with Agility or Rock Polish in Kinetmunk's and Gliscor's case, respectively, is suicidal, given that they're weak to pretty much every attack.
2) What else can Nuclear formes provide to the original? Certainly not resistances, no other fancy abilities... Sure, Nuclear moves grant universal coverage but, not every Nuclear-type has as spammable a stab as Nucleon. Besides, N-Gyarados, N-Eshouten, N-Arbok don't even get a physical Nuclear stab.
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Spoiler3) What else is there to say? Why use a pokemon whose IV you have no control over, and whose nature you have to Synchronize-hunt?
These three reasons are what I think rule out Nuclear pokemon other than Nucleon in a competitive team.
Now if there's something that deserves to be balanced in the game, I don't think that that's the sensibilities to Nuclear. Rather the statistics of the pokemon, which are far too extreme in my opinion.
I wish there were some kind of kind of smogon-like ruling authority for Pokemon Uranium, that way we could submit proposals concerning tiers and possible bans on Pokemon/Abilities/Item/Moves. I know I would want to ban Atomizate, 'cause that's what needs to be nerfed, not your average Nuclear Trawpint.
Let's make this happen. o/
