[Guide] Tier list OU & UU

[shademonkey]

@Cataclyptic

Mega Evolutions should definitely be treated separately from their regular formes in the future. It has not been the case here because when looking at the team lists we got from the tournament holders we couldn't always tell which pokemon were Mega and which weren't. I know I never told Dusk what my mega was when I sent him the team I used during his tournament.

If you mean S-rank as in poweroftibarn's Viabilty Rankings, I understand your point, but bear in mind that they're seriously outdated (some mons weren't even in the game at the time he posted, and movepools have changed since) and just doesn't make real sense at times (Frosthra, Jolteon and Harptera being on the same level as N-Eshouten for example, and Gararewl being higher-ranked than all of them). 

I don't want to diss his work in any way, I just feel it's too outdated to be a reliable resource anymore, and I'd be all about updating or remaking the Viability Rankings from scratch.

Now about Inflagetah "not being higher than it is" now, it's because neither @Narshyl and @Aiden nor I wanted to make decisions regarding future bans to Uber and Borderline on our own. We have our opinions on certain pokemon deserving or not to be banned from their respective tiers, but our sole opinions aren't enough to enforce such bans. That's one of the reasons there's talk of gathering experienced players somewhere to discuss these matters through playtesting and educated reasonning and arguments. I don't know how it would happen, I just know I want a larger group of experienced people who would like to spend time to discuss matters of the competitive scene so that
-judgments can be as accurate as possible and as well-argued as possible
-decisions regarding the comp scene are taken by more than just a select few

I don't even know if I'd like to be part of this group, as I admit I'm far from being a pro player, I'm just decent, but I know I want this to be a thing.


Also, the stats used were collected from 5 tournaments, not 3. Having so little data to exploit is a big problem, but it's still better than three tourneys. ;) You can have a look at them by following the link in the first post.




@Lord Windos
There is no Sleep Clause yet so by all means, put to sleep to your heart's desire! Evasion Clause isn't a thing either yet so everything is allowed. The reason for that is that no one has abused Sleep and Evasion in tournament so much that it would become unfair yet.
The only Clauses I'd like people to respect are Species Clause, as this one would mess the usage stats, and what could be called Glitch Clause, which would encompass every aspect of battle that isnt working the way it is supposed to (Fur Coat, VoltTurn passing stat modifications, and I don't remember if the RestTalk problem was fixed but if not it would probably fit here too).