[Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels

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I just think that Pokémon has gone on long enough to suffer what I like to call 'degredation of the core concept', where they've pretty much innovated and expanded on the basic formula enough that its been more or less refined to a razor edge, to the point that its starting to cut at them. Once you've 'done everything' , and done it well with incremental and sweeping improvements at that, its hard to make more creative concept that are fun and interesting without either deviating what made a concept(s) itself, or going into a radical new direction entirely. Both of which are likely going to cause no small amount of fan outrage if not managed carefully. Sometimes it works, like the Mystery Dungeon series, and other times like the Trozi and Gamecube titles.....not so much.

Personally, while I'm not too happy with the steps back, pandering, and the other problems you've mentioned Spiritmon they've taken in Gen 7, I could also point it out as the generation that got me back into mainstream Pokémon as well, since  retreading 'old' ground while also trying something new is a good idea as any to attract old and new fans alike to the series.

That, and I think the whole Rainbow Rocket stick was all too appropriate and the right amount of self indulgence fanservice, given one of the core concepts of US/UM was cross dimensional travel and all that it brings. It wasn't necessarily supposed to have some complex narrative, or really be all that threatening, but rather a fun romp through memory lane and exploring the concept of 'what if all the big bad of the series got together and tried to take over the Pokémon Universe?' Overall, I didn't find it all to offensive and a fun plotline to while away the hours, but that is just my opinion,

I think you right. Its a negative thing when a franchise exist for so much time: When you improve and expand so the story, you reach a point when you cant improve more. Lets use another example to show that: Imagine if all the universe its some kind of notebook (the paper version to be more precisely), and each page of that notebook is filled with all of his story: His creation, the protagonists, the villains and everything inside. All the existence. What happens if these pages is out? If there is no space to expand anymore? To go further? Nothing to explore anymore? Two paths: To be forgoten since there is nothing new. Or the rebooting everything returning back to zero point and begin everything once again. Or a third option: Creating something new and different. 

I agree too, as much US and UM its not exatcly the best pokemon I ever see, its not a bad tittle. It indeed bring some flesh air to the franchise, bring old trainer with the old school ground, and new trainers to this rich world of pokemon, something the pokemon franchise needed. As much I think the game could be better, I must admit the games did their mission: They bring new things and keep using old things the same time.

Yeah, I think you right. I must admit see all the leaders of each organization be beat by a 11 years old kid its pretty funny. And the interactions we see between them its very amusing too to watch. I still think a better would be good, but to the mission in making a good fun, they acomplished that too. I think the only good plot in the pokemon franchise we gonna see its in fangames and the roleplays. The fans always find a better way to expand the universe more than nintendo and gamefreak.