[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

I'm fine with all these restrictions, except for that one about outright not teaching it to disobediant Pokemon - something like taking a look at how disobediant the particular Pokemon in questions is and then decide in the specific case whether it shall learn the move or not sounds more fair to me. For example, something with 3 points in Disobediance vs. 0 points in Loyalty shouldn't get the move, but something like 4 Disobediance vs. 2 Loyalty or 2 Disobediance vs 0 Loyalty can.

True, a disobedient pokemon with some loyalty is probably less likely to just use the move whenever they feel like using it...how about this then:

1-2 Disobedience: needs 1 Loyalty
3-4 Disobedience: needs 2 Loyalty
5 Disobedience: needs 3 Loyalty

Or in other words, Disobedient pokemon should have a Loyalty score greater than or equal to half of their Disobedience rounded up.  Sound fairer?

Yes, but Ven's equally paranoid about remaining disguised/undetected when he wants to, and given his criminal origins and working alongside the Shadow Triad, so him going off to sell those Pokémon on the Black Market SECRETLY isn't an instant fail/bad end for the party. Given that Ven's succesfully raised an Arbok, Noibat into a Noivern, and has decently bonded with several Dragons and Disobedient bugs, the boy would trust that when he says he can handle those Pokemon, they SHOULD be able to trust him with at least that. I and Ven want to sell those HM Pokémon for a marked up price since the more Poke I have, the more flexible I can be for spending in the future, and I REALLY don't like be stonewalled in making muns unless the DM specifically is the one doing it or its a plain bad idea (which I don't think it is, in this case).

Short term problems/benefits can still lead to long term consequences.  It's not that Nathan doesn't think Ventus can't handle the pokemon, it's more that he'd rather not risk a large number of people learning that there's another Rock Smash HM out there.

Disagree with the Disbodience Guidelines, on the grounds that they negatively impact mine and Ven's bottomline when selling rare and unruly Pokémon on the Black Market. Ven's also going to take every precaution he can take to prevent ANYONE from tracing HM Rock Smash back to the group, and he's pretty good at doing that and acting too, so you shouldn't worry TOO much about selling off those Pokémon coming to bite you back in the but.

If all this goes through and I'm denied the chance to sell those HM Pokémon, however, I'm going to start deliberately hiding which Pokémon I want to keep on my team when I catch Pokémon in the future , and make no mention anywhere that would contradict the fact until after the fact they learn a HM and are in the process of being sold. That way no rolls can't be call or ultimately be clearly decided, since my character intentions are unknown unless Iron decides to arbitrarily assign them. Call that underhanded if you want, but I don't like a method of making revenue in a what I think is relatively risk free way OCCASIONALLY being completely denied without DM approval, so yeah. It would be like telling me I can't sell Frosthra to a random smuck because its 'Too Dangerous' to do so: its my choice to decide if that is the case, and whether to go ahead and do so regardless.