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[Lord Windos]

There should ALWAYS be a discussion about things of this nature, because how can we decide something is good or not if we don't take the time to look over the issue?

Can we agree to disagree on this? I believe that we are not convincing each other the merits of our arguments, so why don't we end this discussion now, rather than drag it out?

Thing is, NOTHING is completely good or completely bad, everything is both. So while I do see that discussion is needed, I also see that discussion in most case will accomplish NOTHING in the long term as people will always see what they want to see. Some will always see something as good/acceptable, and some other out there will always see that same thing as unacceptable, no matter how much discussion put into it. I see your point and I get it, but I'm looking at the bigger picture when I say that's just NOT how arguments and society work... No argument in history ever truly been won, one side either all died or got tired of arguing, but they never stop believing their point of view, and they never really got convinced. Maybe people can understand the other point of view and grudgingly reach a compromise, OR it can end badly in flame, wars, and bloodshed, but we human never really "win" or "lose" an argument, not when both side have valid points and supporting 2 different ideals.

As for what you said regarding justifying exploitation. If we justify HA chain breeding bug, how long will it takes people to use that to push forward duping Pokemon/item, cloning save on the principle that it's not much different, as they are all exploitation? Would it really be fair to say one exploit is okay and the other not just because YOU feel that way? Who gets to be the judge, and what gives them the rights? I believe the community already agreed upon the current devs, so what's the point of dragging out an arguments for whether the bugs should be acceptable or not if our devs get the final saying anyway? And so what if they do or don't give any reason why they do something? Would it really change anything? Like when Andro removed the shiny star, it was collateral damages and it was clear from the start, but people still rage for days because of that, some even purposely stay downgraded for that star. The devs will always do what they believe is right, and sometimes that means the tough choices that won't please everyone in the community, or even displease the majority of the community. But we still have to respect that because we trust and believe in them enough... unless you wanna look for new devs...

I assume that once discussion has been reached, and everything is mulled over and analyzed, a final decision can be implement for that case and all future case that bear similarity to it (to a degree, of course.) I do agree with you counterpoint, though. I realize I am far more tolerant and accepting of outside viewpoints than the norm, so my perspective on open discourse is warped subsequently.


As for the bug argument, I accept the devs are in charge, but I don't agree with all their actions, and in fact is quite the conscientious objector to some of their decisions. Dramsama, removing the red star, not releasing all the HA's immedianlty... these are all choices made by them I still actively protest. I don't make a fuss about it unless its dragged out of me, or someone brings it up, but I still feel that the devs made some blunders in their decision making process. While I'll respect and always be kind/caring towards them, as long as they treat me the same in term, I'm not going to unilaterally accept everything they do as perfectly justifiable or ok. This is why I believe devs need to announce why they are making controversial choices in greater depth, as giving no explanation is worse than some logic backing it up.

You also seem afraid that by allowing just a few good bugs, it would open the door wide open for other, less excusable bugs. Leaving aside as to what constitutes a 'good' bug, I believe its silly to think that the devs would have some review policy in place to prevent rampant abuse of community goodwill. As long as they are transparent about their choices, I'm fine with their oversight concerning bugs.

The devs may do what they think is best, but that does not mean it absolutely is, or always will be. Don't get me wrong, I love the devs I have right now, since they work so hard for a game that, by all rights, should have been canned long ago by the Big N. I just won't give them unconditional support for their action, if, after reviewing them myself, and forming my own opinion, disagree with it. There is a fine line between support a dev's action, to just agreeing with everything the do just because they are a dev.