[Meta thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure : Celadon City Vandels

[Lord Windos]

I very aware my dark friend, but lets not fright the lovely couple. Lets wait until they are sleeping. That way they will be having a more cool head and ready for our meeting. No need to scare Riza and ruin the romantic moment they are having no?

Oh very well, if you insist. Its the least I can do.

[Spiritmon]

I very aware my dark friend, but lets not fright the lovely couple. Lets wait until they are sleeping. That way they will be having a more cool head and ready for our meeting. No need to scare Riza and ruin the romantic moment they are having no?

Oh very well, if you insist. Its the least I can do.

Thank you for the understanding Zuryk.

[Spiritmon]

Also Windos, I have make a little edit in my last post.

[Dragonstrike]

...holy moly, I just learned something shocking about the pokemon anime...

There was a banned episode with a gun in it.

Specifically, the Safari Zone Warden (who was named Kaiser at the time since he didn't have an official name yet.  HG and SS gave the Tohjo Safari Zone Warden the canon name Baoba) is the one who had it, and he threatened Ash with it.  All in the name of protecting the Safari Zone's inhabitants, of course, as Kaiser didn't initially trust Ash and co. wouldn't harm the rare pokemon within the preserve.

That also happens to be the episode where Ash caught all 30 of his Tauros, and it was apparently really, really confusing for the rest of the world (the episode only ever aired in countries in Asia) when Ash suddenly had 30 Tauros for no explainable reason because nobody outside of Asia had seen Ash catch said Tauros at that point.



...so apparently guns do exist in canon pokemon material...only in a single episode of the anime that never aired in most parts of the world, but wow...I somehow did not see that coming, to be honest...

[Lord Windos]

Spoiler

..holy moly, I just learned something shocking about the pokemon anime...

There was a banned episode with a gun in it.

Specifically, the Safari Zone Warden (who was named Kaiser at the time since he didn't have an official name yet.  HG and SS gave the Tohjo Safari Zone Warden the canon name Baoba) is the one who had it, and he threatened Ash with it.  All in the name of protecting the Safari Zone's inhabitants, of course, as Kaiser didn't initially trust Ash and co. wouldn't harm the rare pokemon within the preserve.

That also happens to be the episode where Ash caught all 30 of his Tauros, and it was apparently really, really confusing for the rest of the world (the episode only ever aired in countries in Asia) when Ash suddenly had 30 Tauros for no explainable reason because nobody outside of Asia had seen Ash catch said Tauros at that point.



...so apparently guns do exist in canon pokemon material...only in a single episode of the anime that never aired in most parts of the world, but wow...I somehow did not see that coming, to be honest...

Wait, you didn't know about that episode? I've heard and read a plot synopsis about a long time ago, and its partially the reason why I allowed guns to exist in my campaign, aside from the fact that I do think firearms and other human made weapons can do serious damage to Pokemon, and I believe humans wouldn't just leave self defense just to Pokemon and develop their own tooth and claws, so to speak. Figured you already knew about that episode, and therefore were didn't think anything about guns existing, but nope, I was wrong! That's rather surprising to me, to be honest! Not being wrong, but you not knowing about one of the banned Pokemon episodes, since you usually are on the up and up on all things Pokemon.

Guess now you know about it, and part of the source material I was referencing!

[Spiritmon]

Spoiler

...holy moly, I just learned something shocking about the pokemon anime...

There was a banned episode with a gun in it.

Specifically, the Safari Zone Warden (who was named Kaiser at the time since he didn't have an official name yet.  HG and SS gave the Tohjo Safari Zone Warden the canon name Baoba) is the one who had it, and he threatened Ash with it.  All in the name of protecting the Safari Zone's inhabitants, of course, as Kaiser didn't initially trust Ash and co. wouldn't harm the rare pokemon within the preserve.

That also happens to be the episode where Ash caught all 30 of his Tauros, and it was apparently really, really confusing for the rest of the world (the episode only ever aired in countries in Asia) when Ash suddenly had 30 Tauros for no explainable reason because nobody outside of Asia had seen Ash catch said Tauros at that point.



...so apparently guns do exist in canon pokemon material...only in a single episode of the anime that never aired in most parts of the world, but wow...I somehow did not see that coming, to be honest...

I also already knew about that one. I open to know one or other banned episode. There is also the banned episode where James dress herself as a woman.

[Dragonstrike]

Spoiler

..holy moly, I just learned something shocking about the pokemon anime...

There was a banned episode with a gun in it.

Specifically, the Safari Zone Warden (who was named Kaiser at the time since he didn't have an official name yet.  HG and SS gave the Tohjo Safari Zone Warden the canon name Baoba) is the one who had it, and he threatened Ash with it.  All in the name of protecting the Safari Zone's inhabitants, of course, as Kaiser didn't initially trust Ash and co. wouldn't harm the rare pokemon within the preserve.

That also happens to be the episode where Ash caught all 30 of his Tauros, and it was apparently really, really confusing for the rest of the world (the episode only ever aired in countries in Asia) when Ash suddenly had 30 Tauros for no explainable reason because nobody outside of Asia had seen Ash catch said Tauros at that point.



...so apparently guns do exist in canon pokemon material...only in a single episode of the anime that never aired in most parts of the world, but wow...I somehow did not see that coming, to be honest...

Wait, you didn't know about that episode? I've heard and read a plot synopsis about a long time ago, and its partially the reason why I allowed guns to exist in my campaign, aside from the fact that I do think firearms and other human made weapons can do serious damage to Pokemon, and I believe humans wouldn't just leave self defense just to Pokemon and develop their own tooth and claws, so to speak. Figured you already knew about that episode, and therefore were didn't think anything about guns existing, but nope, I was wrong! That's rather surprising to me, to be honest! Not being wrong, but you not knowing about one of the banned Pokemon episodes, since you usually are on the up and up on all things Pokemon.

Guess now you know about it, and part of the source material I was referencing!

Honestly, I probably need to read Bulbapedia's article on the banned episodes a bit more.  I know about Porygon, obviously (Porygon did nothing wrong, it was all Pikachu's fault!).  That one's basically a given.  And I also know about...*ahem*...James's 'assets' (those two are way too damn good with disguises sometimes...), mostly because it's 'quality' material I've had the oh so (un)fortunate experience of hearing about, but beyond those, I haven't really read up on them.  Mostly because I didn't think a lot of the stuff in them was still canon.  And also partially because I don't really watch the pokemon anime very often (even though I love to reference it as a resource on various characters in it.  I might not watch the anime, but it is still a part of the pokemon universe we all know and love, after all, and I love to read about it!  Just not very frequently/in a huge amount of specific detail, since I don't want to read the summaries of every.  Single.  Episode.)

Guess I was wrong in some regards, though, given that there's still no other explanation for why Ash has 30 Tauros.  I did know he'd caught them all practically by accident, but I never looked into the episode he caught them in.


I honestly thought the gun thing was a little out of place at first, but I decided I'd roll with it and see how it went.  Your world, your rules, after all.

[Dragonstrike]

"Oh, how utterly and hilariously naive my horrible little sister and the drake are, and yet how ever so grateful I am for their collaboration. Dragonstrike should have listened to her - Ugh, I can't believe I've said such a terrible thing now, bah! - and read between the lines Lord Windos wrote, but I can hardly blame them for that. Our hamster can be so horribly inept it at describing things at times, and believing in your own truths is far easier than accepting reality for what it is. Cest' la vie, as they say in Kalos."

Well, since you're bringing me into this...

I'm not as naive about this as you think.  I recorded every single one of those weapons (with the sole exception of M.E.) only as 'supposedly destroyed' for a reason.

I just want them out of my hair, and for all of them to stay out of it.  And I don't appreciate you jabbing at me in the slightest.

*lets out a breath and tries to cool off for a moment*

...apologies to anyone reading this since I don't usually blow my top like this, but I needed to speak my mind in this instance.

[Dragonstrike]

Hmmmm...did a little thinking about/research into what kinds of non-Flying type moves might count as 'wind' based.  Whatcha think of this list, @Lord Windos?

List of Wind Based Moves and Explanations

These ones are all fairly obvious since the word 'wind' is included in their names:
- Icy Wind (which Hope can also already learn, unlike every single other move besides Twister on this list [disregarding the AOM])
- Whirlwind (would probably need its effect modified. Maybe it can also replace Roar in Hope's level up moves? That makes a little sense to me, tbh)
- Silver Wind
- Ominous Wind
- Fairy Wind
- Razor Wind (might skip the Charge time?)
- Heat Wave (Okay, it's less obvious, but it's Japanese name is literally 'Hot Wind', which is why so many Flying types can learn it)
- Nuclear Wind

Interesting Notes about these moves: 
- The only (canon) Flying types that can learn Icy Wind without having any association to Ice or Water are the Murkrow line, Skarmormy, the Drifloon line, Sigilyph, and Oricorio.  (And Skarmory is the odd one out. Not only is it the least mystical of the bunch, it can't even learn the move from the Gen 2 TM, only being able to learn it via tutoring in later generations)
- Silver Wind and Ominous Wind are teachable to a larger variety of Flying types than Icy Wind, but Silver Wind is generally more limited in its selection due to both being a TM in Gen 4 (and Uranium) only and typically only being able to be taught to more 'mystical' Flying types (Togekiss, Xatu, Drifloon, Noctowl, Jumpluff...and Tropius, surprisingly. Oh, and Flygon's technically on the list, too) if they aren't part Bug.
- Fairy Wind is usable by exactly one evolution line that isn't part Fairy type: Jumpluff's! (though it's partially because they're in the Fairy egg group as well as being Flying types associated with drifting on the wind)



These ones are more implied based on the nature and/or description of the moves in question:
- Twister (which Hope already knows, unlike all the other moves on this list)
- Petal Blizzard
- Powder Snow
- Blizzard (can't blow around ice, snow, and petals without a little wind, right?)
- Sparkly Swirl (unlikely to ever come up since it's one of Partner Eevee's signature moves, but it is described as 'wrapping the target in a whirlwind of an overpowering scent', unlike Aromatherapy's simple scent emission. It's Japanese name is also 'Sparkly Storm')

Interesting Notes about these moves:
- The only Flying types that can learn how to use Powder Snow are all part Ice type, and only Flying types with some kind of association with Water or Ice can learn Blizzard
- Petal Blizzard is only usable by Grass types and Flower associated Fairy types (none of which are part Flying) in the canon games, for obvious reasons


And then there's the oddballs...

- There's Sandstorm I suppose, but given the nature of Typhoon being an Extreme Weather (which is the term I'll use to also refer to Mysterious Air Currents, Heavy Rain, and Extremely Harsh Sunlight, the weathers caused by the Weather Trio's signature Abilities), that'd have to be a rather weird interaction if the Typhoon didn't outright override the Sandstorm...(the other major weathers don't necessarily require wind to be activated, unlike a Sandstorm)

- You could also MAYBE argue Clear Smog could use wind as the basis of the attack to blow the smog away instead of throwing 'special mud' (which is the description in the games) or acting as a vacuum of sorts (which is the Pokerole interpretation)...I'm kinda iffy on that one since the original descriptions don't quite fit the concept of using wind, tbh, but it could be justifiable, I guess.

- You could probably also include Glaciate since it's basically a souped up Icy Wind (blowing cold air onto the target, just stronger...but not strong enough for it to be 3+ Power according to the book's general Move Power conventions without being Plot Deviced, ironically.  Move's with 70+ power in the games are typically 3+ Power in the book.  40-65 is usually 2, and less than 40 is 1.), but that's also really unlikely to come up alongside Typhoon weather's effect.

Also, another thought: if Fly gets to skip its Charge time, would Razor Wind, Bounce, Sky Drop, and Sky Attack do so as well?



And one more thought: should Thunderstorm be replaced in Hope's level up moves with a different weather summoning move that can resummon her Typhoon Weather? (and given that it's the most expensive move in her level up movepool if you don't count Draco Meteor, it could still be reasonable, too)

[Spiritmon]

Guys, I have go to sleep now. Gonna have a long day tomorrow and will have to help the festivities of the new year. Gonna be a long day, and I also gonna need take care a few problems. So I may still online a few times. Sorry in delay the meeting Zuryk and Windos for a while. But things get crazy in the end year.