[Meta Thread] Dragonstrike's Pokerole Test Game: Mount Coronet Mystery

[Mikaruge108]

Spoiler

Welp, looks like the group has at least one last big battle with some Abomasnow and their mob before we 'clear' the Snowpoint Temple (and everything else that got connected to it) , so let's review over some details that's been given by 'Gene' about them + general info on the species itself before we Clash with them:

- An unspecified number of the group has Soundproof (Or all of them have it as an second Ability), which means that no Sound Based Attacks will work against them. This mainly means that our Chatots ain't gonna do squat against them and a number of Kee's Pokemon are going to be adversely affected (probably, given his team seems to be heavily sound/music based), and therefore they shouldn't be picked for the fight or work around have to be brainstormed for them to work
- We got two Abomasnow that have more or less kept Sinjoh Ruins under total lockdown with the blizzards they've been whipping up. It's likely that at least one of them has the actually Blizzard Move, and if not that they have Icy Wind, Powder Snow, and Razor Leaf for potent Spread Damage (With Icy Wind being rather debilitating, since the - 1 DEX it inflicts is really, REALLY bad debuff).
- The Abomasnows or Snovers could have access to SHEER COLD , which could be a potent 1st Action tactic if they have either + 10D6 Dice or are willing to dedicate a Single Action to ensuring better odds they get off. Recommend Conditional Orders to dodge out of the way of Sheer Colds, just in case.
- THE SNOVER LINE HAS ACCESS TO SLEEP WITH GRASS WHISTLE. Its highly inaccurate and possibly draws on a non-standard Contest Accuracy Pool (And therefore is likely REALLY inaccurate unless Dragonstrike specs some of them just to use GW), but those mean winter greens can still make our Pokemon take snow naps, so beware!
- The fact they have Mist means that debuffing them is likely not going to work unless most of the group's debuffers Move before ANY of the trees do, so keep that in mind. They also have Ingrain, which will be annoying to deal with since its Leftovers: The Move for the Pokemon.
- Swagger is potentially disruptive, since it takes away a LOT of Accuracy, but it's possibly even more deadily if they decide to use it on themselves during/prior to the battle. + 2 STR at the cost of Confusion isn't a terrible trade off, especially if you have a lot of Accuracy, so it's a tactic the Abomasnow/Snover could employ.
- Finally and most obviously, Hail is going to be in CONSTANT effective due to ALL the Snover line's Snow Warning, so they'll be especially tough on the Physical end and have perfectly Accurate Blizzards, and everyone else will be suffering chip Damage at the end of Rounds except Ice Types. Pokemon with the capability to change the weather are therefore ideal to bring along, but given the fact that 'Gene' explicitly stated the Abomasnow mob has been trying to create a perpetual blizzard state, a weather war re-enactment might end up taking place.

With all that in mind, how do you guys plan best take on the Abomasnow and Snover? I'm thinking of sticking to Brigid and Catherine for their strong Offense and Debilitation each provides myself, but I'm also thinking about using my last Mystery Pokemon instead, as it can really screw around with these frigid plants with it's unique toolkit. If I do, fair warning: it's HIGHLY Disobedient and dislikes other Pokemon immensely, so if they do get sent out, it might be best to have your Pokemon recalled before hand or well out of the way before hand.

As for the Revitalizing Soup, I'm fine with Ran's Pokemon missing out on one of the extra 4 portions of it, so that's a few less mouths to fight over the grub!

A few possible strategies:
-Karen's Magneton setting up Electric Terrain to prevent sleep for all grounded targets, basically screwing over the Abomasnow should they choose to use Grass Whistle.
-A "kill it with fire" mentality. (Read: Spam all fire-type moves your Pokemon know.)
-Sunny Day or similar moves (Like you said) Aspid needs 12 more exp to learn Rain Dance and Lotus can learn both via TM. (put those TM's on my wishlist btw!)

[Lord Windos]

Spoiler

Welp, looks like the group has at least one last big battle with some Abomasnow and their mob before we 'clear' the Snowpoint Temple (and everything else that got connected to it) , so let's review over some details that's been given by 'Gene' about them + general info on the species itself before we Clash with them:

- An unspecified number of the group has Soundproof (Or all of them have it as an second Ability), which means that no Sound Based Attacks will work against them. This mainly means that our Chatots ain't gonna do squat against them and a number of Kee's Pokemon are going to be adversely affected (probably, given his team seems to be heavily sound/music based), and therefore they shouldn't be picked for the fight or work around have to be brainstormed for them to work
- We got two Abomasnow that have more or less kept Sinjoh Ruins under total lockdown with the blizzards they've been whipping up. It's likely that at least one of them has the actually Blizzard Move, and if not that they have Icy Wind, Powder Snow, and Razor Leaf for potent Spread Damage (With Icy Wind being rather debilitating, since the - 1 DEX it inflicts is really, REALLY bad debuff).
- The Abomasnows or Snovers could have access to SHEER COLD , which could be a potent 1st Action tactic if they have either + 10D6 Dice or are willing to dedicate a Single Action to ensuring better odds they get off. Recommend Conditional Orders to dodge out of the way of Sheer Colds, just in case.
- THE SNOVER LINE HAS ACCESS TO SLEEP WITH GRASS WHISTLE. Its highly inaccurate and possibly draws on a non-standard Contest Accuracy Pool (And therefore is likely REALLY inaccurate unless Dragonstrike specs some of them just to use GW), but those mean winter greens can still make our Pokemon take snow naps, so beware!
- The fact they have Mist means that debuffing them is likely not going to work unless most of the group's debuffers Move before ANY of the trees do, so keep that in mind. They also have Ingrain, which will be annoying to deal with since its Leftovers: The Move for the Pokemon.
- Swagger is potentially disruptive, since it takes away a LOT of Accuracy, but it's possibly even more deadily if they decide to use it on themselves during/prior to the battle. + 2 STR at the cost of Confusion isn't a terrible trade off, especially if you have a lot of Accuracy, so it's a tactic the Abomasnow/Snover could employ.
- Finally and most obviously, Hail is going to be in CONSTANT effective due to ALL the Snover line's Snow Warning, so they'll be especially tough on the Physical end and have perfectly Accurate Blizzards, and everyone else will be suffering chip Damage at the end of Rounds except Ice Types. Pokemon with the capability to change the weather are therefore ideal to bring along, but given the fact that 'Gene' explicitly stated the Abomasnow mob has been trying to create a perpetual blizzard state, a weather war re-enactment might end up taking place.

With all that in mind, how do you guys plan best take on the Abomasnow and Snover? I'm thinking of sticking to Brigid and Catherine for their strong Offense and Debilitation each provides myself, but I'm also thinking about using my last Mystery Pokemon instead, as it can really screw around with these frigid plants with it's unique toolkit. If I do, fair warning: it's HIGHLY Disobedient and dislikes other Pokemon immensely, so if they do get sent out, it might be best to have your Pokemon recalled before hand or well out of the way before hand.

As for the Revitalizing Soup, I'm fine with Ran's Pokemon missing out on one of the extra 4 portions of it, so that's a few less mouths to fight over the grub!

A few possible strategies:
-Karen's Magneton setting up Electric Terrain to prevent sleep for all grounded targets, basically screwing over the Abomasnow should they choose to use Grass Whistle.
-A "kill it with fire" mentality. (Read: Spam all fire-type moves your Pokemon know.)
-Sunny Day or similar moves (Like you said) Aspid needs 12 more exp to learn Rain Dance and Lotus can learn both via TM. (put those TM's on my wishlist btw!)

- Terrific Idea! Of course, that means that Catherine won't be able to use Lovely Kiss, but if that means than NONE of the Snovers/Abomasnows can use Grass Whistle, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to pay! Plus, it'll power up any Electric Moves, which even accounting for IE reduction can still be a right nightmare to deal with (particularly if Dragon goes with Iron's interp of the Move/Terrains). Plus, Magy is double Resistant to the CT's Ice/Grass STABs, knows/can know Light Screen and Paralysis (Less Accuracy = Less Moves for them, especially comboed with Confusion!), and has Magnet Bomb as a SE Always Accurate Move, so they're practically born to fight these christmas critters!
- That works too! Keep in mind that Hail gives all them Ice types + 2 Defense, so Physical SE Damage won't be nearly as effective unless you dispel the Weather (If only we had a Pokemon with Cloud Nine). If I recall correctly, Karen's Gastrodon knows Acid ( a Spread Special Poison Move ) so alongside Magenton they should fair well against the Abomasnows!
- Yup Yup! If Phantom's willing, Kee's Vulpix could take Drought as it's Ability for the day and utilize Heat Wave alongside Brigid for maximum bush fire devestation to disrupt the Hail for a bit, and Nagi's HP Fire essentially activates Sunny Day upon use, so there's those options available! Brigid has White Smoke as her Ability (As I was not willing to gamble if Snowpoint Temple would allow Weather or not........) , so no help from her on the Weather front.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Do you think Kee'd be that bold and wild to send out his freshly-hatched Drought-Vulpix into a fight against several huge snowy monsters? No way. :C

I'll throw something out into Game Thread, then I'll come back to this and share a bit what I' planning do to counter them.

[Lord Windos]

Do you think Kee'd be that bold and wild to send out his freshly-hatched Drought-Vulpix into a fight against several huge snowy monsters? No way. :C

I'll throw something out into Game Thread, then I'll come back to this and share a bit what I' planning do to counter them.

I didn't figure you would, honestly. You're not one to do things like that, even when it would be of a significant benefit to you and everyone else to do so and it would practically have no lasting repercussion (Unless Dragonstrike decides to impose some). Freshly hatched Pokemon can fight well as anyone, if we go by Iron's interp with them (Example: Angie), so the only reasons Kee/you don't want to send out Vulpix is RP related or wanting the XP from the fight to go to other Pokemon instead of the fox. Neither of which are really ideal for the rest of the group or Kee themselves, given the sheer might of Hail Boosted Abomasnows/Snovers.

If Kee needs justification to bring them along to the fight, just have them be a non-participate but still outside their Pokeball. Pokemon can still affect the battlefield even if they're not directly in the Fight, so having the fox kit in your chara's hands triggering Drought but not fighting should be viable (Unless Dragonstrike rules otherwise, in which case we're back to square 0).

I'm mainly waiting for your/Mika's reactions to 'Gene's' speeches before I have Ran say anything else, so I'll patiently await your post(s).

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

If Kee needs justification to bring them along to the fight, just have them be a non-participate but still outside their Pokeball. Pokemon can still affect the battlefield even if they're not directly in the Fight, so having the fox kit in your chara's hands triggering Drought but not fighting should be viable (Unless Dragonstrike rules otherwise, in which case we're back to square 0).

That he'd certainly do, unless it counts as a third Pokemon he's bringing into the fight. (@Dragonstrike, can you bring clarificaton concerning this?) If that's not viable though, That Hidden Power from Kogeki's Antarki can appearantly strigger Sunny Weather and possibly overwrite the heavy hailstorm.


As for the battle itself, I wanted to bring Yurei and immediately have her set up a protective Safeguard via summoning her previous owner, for the sole reason to prevent Kee's Pokemon/anyone's from being frozen solid and rendered defenseless. That'd nullify the use of an Electric Terrain from Karen's Magneton, and enabling Lovely Kisses from Ran's Jinx and Karen's Nidorina if desired. How's that sounding, alright?

Offensivewise I've planned to pester them with poison from Minyan, accompanied by Core's Flamethrower as long as possible before Octavia would jump in and take his or Draven's place to continue the fight.

[Mikaruge108]

Fun fact: Sinjoh Ruin's name in Japanese is Shinto Ruins.

[Dragonstrike]

That he'd certainly do, unless it counts as a third Pokemon he's bringing into the fight. (Dragonstrike, can you bring clarificaton concerning this?) If that's not viable though, That Hidden Power from Kogeki's Antarki can appearantly strigger Sunny Weather and possibly overwrite the heavy hailstorm.

Yes, having Vulpix influence the battlefield with her Ability would count as a pokemon that is present on it, even if they are not directly fighting.  A Drought (or other weather ability) user needs to consciously focus on maintaining their weather. And if two pokemon with differing weather abilities are on the field, the book states that the pokemon with higher Special will maintain their Weather condition.

[Dragonstrike]

Fun fact: Sinjoh Ruin's name in Japanese is Shinto Ruins.

Which is ALSO a combination of the two regions' Japanese names (just using the latter part of Johto's name instead of the former)

The lore surrounding Arceus and the Creation trio is also based on Shinto lore.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

That he'd certainly do, unless it counts as a third Pokemon he's bringing into the fight. (Dragonstrike, can you bring clarificaton concerning this?) If that's not viable though, That Hidden Power from Kogeki's Antarki can appearantly strigger Sunny Weather and possibly overwrite the heavy hailstorm.

Yes, having Vulpix influence the battlefield with her Ability would count as a pokemon that is present on it, even if they are not directly fighting.  A Drought (or other weather ability) user needs to consciously focus on maintaining their weather.  And if two pokemon with differing weather abilities are on the field, the book states that the pokemon with higher Special will maintain their Weather condition.

Ah. I have no idea how much Special Antarki has, but since Vulpix's using Kee's Stats it'll be 4, so a good chance that she's able to keep that sunny weather up. Got another question if I may, could he keep Vulpix in his arms = not 'send her out' to be among the fighters of the other charas and still have her keep that drought up and fire off one or two Heat Waves still? Because, Kee'd be a horrible father figure if he'd bring her directly into the battle, but he would be up to let her join if he can, say, keep her in his arms during the fight and protect her from any incoming attacks. On the other hand, that'd make HIM vulnerable and a target, does it? Maybe it'd be better to have Vupix out but not attack the Abomasnow as otherwise they'd figure out that this fox is responsible for the sunny weather and lash out at it.

[Lord Windos]

If Kee needs justification to bring them along to the fight, just have them be a non-participate but still outside their Pokeball. Pokemon can still affect the battlefield even if they're not directly in the Fight, so having the fox kit in your chara's hands triggering Drought but not fighting should be viable (Unless Dragonstrike rules otherwise, in which case we're back to square 0).

As for the battle itself, I wanted to bring Yurei and immediately have her set up a protective Safeguard via summoning her previous owner, for the sole reason to prevent Kee's Pokemon/anyone's from being frozen solid and rendered defenseless. That'd nullify the use of an Electric Terrain from Karen's Magneton, and enabling Lovely Kisses from Ran's Jinx and Karen's Nidorina if desired. How's that sounding, alright?

Offensivewise I've planned to pester them with poison from Minyan, accompanied by Core's Flamethrower as long as possible before Octavia would jump in and take his or Draven's place to continue the fight.

Sound perfect, dear! Of course, if Yurei doesn't end up going before any of the Snover/Abomasnow and gets put to Sleep/Frozen themselves, then Safeguard becomes a less than perfect solution. I could perhaps try to have Brigid After You them into the lead, but that in of itself is not dependable due to it being practically impossible to do outside of battle (Due to balancing, unless I enact shenanigans to make it work) or inside of battle, due to the fact she may get disabled before using it or being slower than Yurei. Therefore, it still may be a good idea to have Magneton use Electric Terrain regardless, as having every form of redundency in place against Sleep is not bad at all.

Like the team, so it's fine be me!

That he'd certainly do, unless it counts as a third Pokemon he's bringing into the fight. (Dragonstrike, can you bring clarificaton concerning this?) If that's not viable though, That Hidden Power from Kogeki's Antarki can appearantly strigger Sunny Weather and possibly overwrite the heavy hailstorm.

Yes, having Vulpix influence the battlefield with her Ability would count as a pokemon that is present on it, even if they are not directly fighting.  A Drought (or other weather ability user) needs to consciously focus on maintaining their weather.  And if two pokemon with differing weather abilities are on the field, the book states that the pokemon with higher Special will maintain their Weather condition.

And my expectations of you shutting down my compromise have been precisely meet. Whether that is a good thing or not is up to debate, but it can't be argued that you're very keen on balancing any ideas that could grant us advantages back into neutrality at best, and made completely unfeasible/bad at worst.

In any case, if the book says that having the Higher Special is necessary to win the weather wars, then having Vulpix out (by whatever defination we subscribe to here) would be pointless, as the Abomasnow/Snover likely have higher Special than it or Dragonstrike could increase their Special to ensure that their Snow Warning is the dominate Ability active. At the very least we still have access to Nagi's Hidden Power Fire (Which has Priority from Prankster, to boot), which would at least manually override the Weather for a bit before the mean greens reset it at the first opportunity (Via Ability or using Hail), so the plan to dispel their Weather ain't a total bust.