The Problem with Genderless Egg Moves

[Lord Windos]

Well, while browsing the Uranium Wiki to brush up on some of the Pokémon there, I noticed quite an oddity. Namely, that all Genderless Pokémon (bar the legendaries) had a Egg Move list. This confused me, since its a well known fact that Genderless Pokémon can't breed at all, unless its with a Ditto egg group Pokémon. The only Pokémon in the game with this group is Duplicat, which is unable to learn all the possible egg moves for Genderless Pokémon ( I checked!).

In essence, there are several moves that are currently locked away, leaving them hopelessly untappable for these Pokémon in question. S51 can't get Rapid Spin, Gellin can't get Power Gem, Chainite can't get Telekinesis....etc, and those are only some of their moves unavaliable.

The fact that this problem exists is one I find completely unacceptable. Why give Pokémon Egg moves in the first place if there are no ways for them to be gotten by either the parent or Duplicat? Why implement such a feature in the first place? To fix this issue, I see three possible solutions.

The first option is to simply just remove all possible egg moves that are not learnable by the Genderless parent (either by TM or Tutor), and call it a day. I find this the least appealing option, since it just pisses away all that potential power in favor of correcting some oversight issue. That, and its just a lazy option, as far as I am aware (correct me if I am wrong, devs).

The second option is just to make all those moves available to their respective Genderless parent, either via TM or Tutor. It would a neat way to add missing/unavailable move into the game proper, or add more move tutors that currently exist at the moment. As an aside, don't you miss the old days where you didn't have to hunt for hard to find shards just to learn moves only available at the tail end of the game? This option would probably be the most time consuming to implement, as it require the coding and adding several TMs or a specific Move Tutor(s) to the game, on top off just plain adding some of the move that are unavailable at the moment.

The third option is just to give Duplicat the move Sketch. This would be the simplest approach to fixing the problem, as all it would require is just coding the move for the copy cat, but there is one concern I have, and its a big one. If Duplicat gets Sketch, does that mean that every Pokémon in the game now has access to a flood of brand new egg move? Or do they simply have just another option to get the egg moves they have currently? If its the former, I shudder at the though of a Dragon Dance Beliaddon lurking around in the meta (Or Baton Pass Dunsereph). Or worse, Nuclear Moves for non-nuclear mons! Hopefully its the later option, as it would make giving Duplicat Sketch not akin to given a trigger happy arsonist all the components need to make a Flamethrower.

These are the ideas I thought up of. Tell me which one would be best to solve this problem, or give another option that might help! Either that, or tell me what is wrong with my solutions, so that I can see if I can't modify them, or something~!

[AgentParadox]

In regular Pokémon games, Gen 6 gave all genders of parent (even genderless) the ability to pass down egg moves, so I'd go with that.

[Lord Windos]

I think they can pass down egg moves, its just that, unless their is a way for them to learn those egg moves outside of breeding, they are unable to. Some moves a parent can learn via level up and by TM are also eggs move can be passed down by the parent, but if they can't learn the move naturedly... A lot of Chainite's egg moves are also TM's it can learn, so it doesn't have to much problem passing down some of them. The ones that it can't learn, though, its unable to pass them down, or even get them for that matter

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Wait, what? Agender 'mon can get egg moves? I didn't know that, because I prefer to stick with gendered Pokemon-breeding. But that may get me interested in them - without going for good IV though, because I don't want to spend days after days hunting for Duplicats, when meanwhile I can get modest-natured Nupins with four egg moves... Thanks for the information! *affectionally hugs you for it*

I'd appreciate the second option...Move Tutors. (Honestly, do we really need stuff like WaterGun or LeechSeed as TMs?) Either someone completely new, or adding them to those in Tsukinami. But please, if so, make either the obtaining of Shards less annoying and time-consuming in some way - ergo, let them appear more often in those dead corals - or lower the amount of Shards those Tutors want in return - for example, two instead of four for teaching one move. (Honestly, they must have collected a whole bunch of those from all Uranium-players together... What do they do with those?! Sell them to the Black Market? Or craft jewellery?)

Sketch-Duplicat is decent as well, maybe have it learn at Lv.45? It would also fix the problem of other unobtainable egg moves *coughLeafBladeSwabonecough*. However, there is one reason why I'm quite much against that - and that is the unpredictability this option would bring. Plus, it sounds like more hassle than it's worth it; catching an amount of Duplicats, level them up to learn Sketch, and the problem of how to have it sketch the desired move at all...

#FourEggMovedAmoeba<3

[Spiritmon]

Well I agree a Duplicat with Sketch would problematic, but I would like the idea to combine some neat moves, who some Pokémon cant learn coughGyradosWithCrunch. I like the ideas Windos

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Magicarpe will probably never get any egg moves...
Which is a bit unfair, since Feebas has a few. For example DragonPulse and -Breath. How neat.

[Spiritmon]

That would be cool. Perhaps a dragon tail.

[Lord Windos]

@PhantomUnderYourDesk You sure can have egg move for genderless, they just have to be moves it can either learn naturely or via TM. Gellin can learn Synthesis as an egg move, for example, but not Power Gem, despite it being their on the list... I believe Sketch Duplicat would be the easiest solution, but I already expressed my concerns there, and you know what they say about easy path, right?

@Spiritmon Glad to have you feedback and support on this issue! Maybe other people will come along and actually discuss this issue. Hopefuly...

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Eh... where did you get the information from that it learns Synthesis as an egg move?  Because...see spoiler.
Or am I getting something wrong here? Like, if I want a Nupin knowing Synthesis from the start onwards, do I have to teach that move to Gellin via Tutor, and then mate it with the Duplicat?

Spoiler

... I also stumbled over this: Is that what Gellin would look like if the old design of Nupin would have been kept? Because I quite like its current design, but this old version does not look bad at all.

[AgentParadox]

The wiki is still very incomplete, and that is a beta design for Gellin. At least I presume so, I was never actually round for the beta, though the "Scrapped Content" page probably has all the info.