(11-26-2018, 05:34 PM)Iron Wrote: You don't need Juni free to summon her Alakazam - you have the key to her Pokeballs.

"The gauntlet bypasses the normal requirements for mega evolution. Afraid I can't help you," she smirks.

(11-27-2018, 05:13 AM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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"Do you at least try? Or do you Scimitars go in some reunion and are like: "Alright everyone! We have to stop a future calamity it might happen or not in some thousands of years and we need a strategy to save the world! You know what? Screw the pacific strategy! We gonna go violence and murder people, rob pokemon to make cruel experiment with them! Because it's more easy than ask people for help! There is no way this go wrong!"

Heart sigh and then facepalm himself. "Honestly, you Scimitars are so dumb and stupid in a way I almost can't believe it. And you still wonder why I feel insulted you saying "I could be a good Scimitar". I feel insulted for two reasons. One: You Scimitars are criminals, no matter how much you trying to stop the calamity, there is no excuse of your crimes. And two: Because your Scimitars are just like that evil groups in that old toons of 90' or 80': A stupid organization who don't have a real plan to do good, and instead go in a evil fashion way, and going to be dismantle by a group of youngsters."

"Seriously Juni? SERIOUSLY!? This is so much cliche I can't even begin to tell! Argh, it's a waste of time talk with you. Its better I stay away of you before you stupidity and close mind infect me because, WHAT THE HELL!?"

(11-27-2018, 10:31 AM)Mikaruge108 Wrote: Spira just has one last thing to say to Juni: "Honestly, as I mentioned to one of your underlings, I somewhat sympathize with your goals, however, what I cannot sympathize with, however, is the way you are going about realizing them. I'd just as soon leave you here to rot, but that would be counter-productive," He then directs this part to the party as well, "Instead I think we should disarm her, bring her back to her present, and leave her in Thrawn's custody."

(11-27-2018, 02:59 PM)PhantomUnderYourDesk Wrote: Huh. Being taken aback for a moment at such a response from Heart's side, Shiva needs a moment to gather herself and progress things properly, all while she just STARES at his back with an unamused and stoic expression. Vaporeon tilts her head in cuiosity, gives her Master a questioning look, then simply shrugs it off and follows her own business again.

"....Alright. Fine.", Shiva eventually let out in an impercible sigh, she is able to feel his anger rather directy - it feels like a physical slap in her face almost. "Forgive me please if I've gone a bit too far. Heart, you DON'T HAVE TO listen to me. We've been raised rather differently, and that's okay. Despise her and dismiss their motives as much as you like, while I do with them what I feel right. Sounds good? Just...please don't overdo it." She pauses for a few moments, waves to him. "Now come back, we have to decide all together what to do with Juni now. Speak up, come on." ^^

She'll restrain herself a tad bit as well, but she won't change her mind. It's interesting to see how Shiva has soft-hanged her view on these Water Scimitars after having found out more about them, but that doesn't mean she has forgotten her personal spat with the guards and what has been done to Dizzy! She never could before having seen or best brought proper  justice for these actions.

(11-27-2018, 07:28 PM)Lord Windos Wrote:

(11-26-2018, 08:17 AM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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Heart aproach Terra and put a hand on his shoulder. "Dont waste your breath with her Terra. I have see this kinda of person. A person so rotten inside that she try to justify her action to do evil things. I see and watch this kinda of thing." Heart careful aproach Juni, looking eye to eye, and finally speaking.

"You know. I can relate a bit with your Scimitars. My clan and family was once member of a long lineage of knights and defenders of of the right and justice. We once was bless by a Legendary Pokemon once, the Creator itself, Arceus and the Creation Trio: Palkia, Dialga and Giratina. We once serve them, bringing peace to our region. We were once the same like you, but different of you, 4 legendary was in our side."

Heart then talk. "But...we failed in our mission. After thousands of years, little by little we were consumed by our own greed and hunger for power. Generation after generation, my clan begin to forget their goal. The same like you, we have use questionable actions to do what we think what was "The Greater Good". The only final reward we meet was a abyss of despair never see before."

Heart then look again to Juni. "This is the path your Scimitars is walking. No evil action can be justify, no matter how much "good" or "noble" is your cause. The good can be only reward with good. Even if a Legendary Pokemon give you a bless, you cant let the power blind your jugment. You say we are bad people because we sometimes use pokemon for our desires...I think you are right about that. But...you are the same as us. You have used your powers and pokemon to kill people, make experiment with pokemon, even torture them. You Scimitars are no better than the "bad" people you say trainers like us is. In the end, you are evil as the people you judge."

"If such calamity indeed came, the only thing we can do is do our best to stop such calamity. But not with torturing pokemon, kipnap or killing people. And if judgement indeed come to humanity, then so be it. The only thing we can blame is ourselves. You cant force a lion to eat grass and hoping he will survive. Your Scimitars as much you think is right cant force your decisions upon others. You might think you are trying to save the world, but instead you are just bringing more quickly the end. And hurting more people and pokemon in the process. You think the world need some kind of Mundial Leader, being in the top you Scimitars. But the truth is...the world doesnt need a world leader. The world need a Teacher. Someone to guide them, show them another way to tell the truth and warn them. Sometimes in this life and next one, is what kinda of good your offer to the people around you, and trying your best to show them peace."

Heart them look to their friends. "Thats what I believe. My clan have dark history, like you Scimitars are doing. I never was a leader, but I must be one if I want to restore my clan. My clan exist no more, all of them dead. My own family too, extintct. My mother and brother. My father and grandfather. My friends and people who I once knew. Gone. I lost them forever, and no power will bring them back."

Heart them look to Juni lost hand. "You loose a hand, but I lost a whole family. And a whole clan. A clan of knights...lost forever in the tomes of time. Corrupted by their ideals, and greed. And you Scimitars is walking in the same path. The only fate you Juni and the rest of your group is despair. A endless void of infinite despair. A abyss who you if fall, you will never able to return. A abyss who all you can look its only darkness. You still have time to change that Juni. What you will choose? Hope of change? Or infinite despair? The future its not still determined. The future can still be shaped...by the hands of each person and individual."

Heart give that insight to Juni. Different of the others, Heart can understand a little about do what you think is right, and the feeling of loss. No one in the group have lost so much in the life like Heart, and they will problably never understand what is to be a child and be forced to see your whole family be burning alive before your very own eyes...and walk in a path of hatred and destruction trying to find someone to blame....thats problably why he might related and feel conected to Nathan. Both of them lost something or someone they care very much: Nathan lost his father. And Heart, his whole clan and family. But different of Heart, Nathan father is problably alive and might be a chance in save him. Different for Heart, who his whole clan exist no more, and his struggle continues. He still have a long job to do, and to not let his rage once again control his soul. He is the PUNisher after all. He must stand positive. Even if that mean act like a sad clown: Paint a mask of smiles, and endure the pain. Thats is what he have done his whole life. And thats why he must stay determined.

(11-26-2018, 02:49 PM)Iron Wrote:

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"Heart, you would make a great Scimitar. I respect what you've been through, the sacrifices you've made. Don't think for a moment we aren't aware of what we give up when we act the way we do. We are teachers of a sort - priests, almost. And I hope someday we'll be able to give up our experiments, which are not for the faint of heart. My hand? I didn't lose it. I sacrificed it."

"This model of gauntlet can allow much greater power, but it needs to be entwined with functioning neurons and linked up to actual muscles. It replaced my real hand, by my choice, so I can have a greater connection with my Alakazam. You can't IMAGINE the pain of being separated from him like this, but I grit my teeth and bear it in the hope of the greater good. If I must fling myself into the abyss..." *sigh* "So be it. If it will save the world."

To sum things up regarding Heart's interjection, Terra was momentarily surprised that the pun lover cut him off like that, and frowns a bit when they basically declared Juni to be completely irredeemable and wrong (as he thinks the Scimitar are trying to do the right/good thing, just in a horribly wrong and unjustified manner), but in the end that only nod back and let them say their piece. Everyone was entitled to their own opinions even if you disagreed with them, and beyond that he couldn't really fault them from only seeing the worst out of the wicked witch, given her......polarizing beliefs and less than likable personality.

He was impressed when their epic speech, however, looking visibly stunned and in awe at the collector story and all he suffered through but never the less endured and grew stronger from it, before smiling proudly and clasping them on the shoulder in full solidarity. Needless to say, but the sagely monk completely agreed with his friend, and couldn't help but feel moved by their message of repentance. If there only more people with Heart's attitude and philosophy, the world would be a much better place.

Unfortunately (or not, depending on how you view it), Juni seemed to take the pun lover's message in an entirely wrong way, as she became even more set in her beliefs, much to Terra's disappointment. At the very least they earned some of her respect judging by her comments, but  given who it came from and what she said, her approval of Heart was not very flattering, to say the least. Still, earning the wicked witch's praise was noteworthy in of itself, so that had to count for something, right?

(11-26-2018, 06:26 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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"How about ask people to help in your cause without trying to steal pokemon and make experiment with them. Or how about you guys try make preparations to indeed stop the calamity from happening or at least prepare the people for it. Or prove everyone you are not monsters you show until now. You guys could find better ways in use your resources instead of wasting them in kipdnap people and pokemon you stupid twat! Never heard about bad marketing? You try to tell us you Scimitar are just trying to do the right thing, but until now you guys only prove to us you are just a bunch of criminals, murderers, and greed people. Really, you Scimitars made sacrifices for nothing. You all just made yourselves worse."

"Want to prove you indeed a good person? Stay out of our way, and do not ever threat the people or pokemon ever again. Want to save the region? Good. Do dont hurt inocent people because of your self rightnous cause. You even say even you are not sure if such calamic will indeed happen in this era. I mean, OUR era. It could happen only thousands and thousands of years after YOUR time. What you guys trying to do? Become some sort of vampires cult and find eternal life? Or use your Abakadabra to take your brains out of your root heads and put in machines like in Doctor Who? Because you Scimitars is even more stupid than I though."

(11-27-2018, 01:54 PM)Spiritmon Wrote:

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(...)

Then Heart go in the direction of some and sit on it, clearly annoyed and enraged to see Shiva defending those Scimitars once again. Heart can't understand why she defensive about them. Heart kind understand the reasons of the Scimitars act, but that doesn't mean he forgive them for all the things he done to them and to the Pokemon. Heart was hoping Shiva would understand that, but it's just like offend one of them it's like a personal offense to her.

(...)

Regretably, Heart indeed didn't take Juni's 'kind' words very well at all, going so far as to rebuke Nathan and outright blowing up on Shiva they tried to settle him down before he stormed off in a fit of righteous indignation. The whole scene caused Terra almost grimace in both in distaste and sympathy at the uncontrolled drama and brazen rudeness from the collector, as he found the man's reactions both completely improper and beneath them yet also more than understandable and justified to an extent. It was hard not to agree with Heart's opinion about the abominable archmage's and the Scimitars in general, after learning all about terrible things they've done, the cruel events they put him and the group through, and how they were utterly unrepentant of all of the above due to it being 'for the greater good'.

Never the less, despite how misguided and deplorable Juni and her sect's ideals and methodology were, and how they were directly responsible in part for Nathan's father disappearance, Terra couldn't find it in himself to hate the Scimitars or consider them complete monsters. Their wicked ways and the atrocities they committed were all for saving the Cheshire region from some nebulous Threat, and by multiple accounts they only acted as they did out of sheer devotion to their cause + their earnestness to prevent the calamity at any cost. 

Make no mistake, he didn't agree with the 'necessity' or justification of Juni's/the Scimitar's actions at all - nor was ever going to absolve them of their nefarious deeds - and wanted nothing less than to bring every single one of those mages to justice in order to prevent them from committing even more crimes/hurting more people and Pokemon. Beyond that, though, he could respect and even admire their ultimate goal and desire, as no matter how ignobly they went about it, trying saving the entire region was a good thing. It was exactly what he and the group themselves were trying to do too, so how could he not give them some credit?

Before he could go off and talk with Heart and try his own clumsy hand at calming them down, Shiva managed to persuade him to rejoin the group meeting by rescinding her earlier 'demand' and accepting their beliefs, which left the mountain of a man feeling rather mixed up and uncomfortable about it. On on hand, he was glad that things managed to mend somewhat between the pun lover and Fairy woman, but on the other hand he didn't like the fact nothing was really done about their (Heart's) volatile and wrathful feelings. At this point, he was not sure if their (Heart's) temper and hurt feelings could be cooled/salved, other than simply finishing up questioning Juni and deciding what to do with her, so that the group can be done with the whole matter and move on.

'*Mental Sigh*.....Why couldn't things stay.....simple and calm? Now group is.......split over Juni, and I don't know what to do about it. Ugh.....'

I'll summarize the rest of Terra's reactions from here on out:

- When Heart offers his suggestions of what to do with Juni, he's accepting of the first one and second one (though he gives them a rather severe looking frown for their sourness, cynicalness, and lashing out at Shiva), but become even MORE shocked and dismayed at Heart's third and forth ones, looking both surprised and downright appalled hearing them.

- Next, Terra snaps out of his shock and grows VERY serious and angry at Heart, glaring at them at full force for a moment before he calmly but extremely firmly rejects the idea of killing or mindraping Juni, saying that doing either is just wrong and unwarranted even for her. He would then go on to say doing those things would not only prove her right, but make Heart just as bad as she is by going to such extremes to punish her. Finally, he finishes by saying that Juni must be held accountable for her crimes, but he will not tolerate the idea of anyone killing/severely hurting her, and in no uncertain terms would do everything in his power to stop ANYONE that tries such things. The last part is mostly directed at Heart, but he makes sure to spare a bit of his attention to Calam too in order to get it across to them that not even they are exempt from his decree.

- His choice on what should be done is the same as Spira's/Shiva's/Thrawns : Take Juni to the future to be arrested and tried for her crimes, and work with the detective and League to make sure she stays in prison. He brings up that the group should go talk to Dagny about the info from Juni/the other Scimitar in order to not only help ensure that she doesn't get out, but that they too can help with gathering more evidence against her + uncover more about the Scimitars/Almanac + help bring down the Scimitars/Almanac as a whole and bring them to justice (Perhaps even getting a search warrant/raid on the Cliff Base). After all, if the group can get the entire Cheshire League to start cracking down HARD on both groups, then their own efforts to stop them and save the region become all the easier!

- It should be noted that Terra also has been recording the current interrogation as a voice mail too, as why wouldn't he put the conversation on tape if he did the same thing with the other Scimitar? That of course means that it caught Heart's morally wrong suggestions, but I'm sure Dagny could redact that part with her techno wizardry if asked!