[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

Since we don't know how long Ventus will be gone, we'll just have him tag along like a puppy until it becomes clear he won't be able to play for a significant length of time. I think we can manage with just two fulltime players for a week or so. And he might be able to pop in and give directions, like he said, even if he can't do nice long RP posts. I think Valder/Nylon is still planning to tag along with the group too.

That's probably the best we can do, unfortunately :/  Hope Windos can return by the time we do the next major thing that he wants to participate in...like the upcoming Gym Battle.

I can. JYou already know what my plans are upon enter town, so I'm sure you can take care of my business up until that point. I will try and make one last post tonight, but it will take awhile.

[Dragonstrike]

Hmmmm...noticed another ruling in the book concerning Disobedience and Loyalty...this time, to do with how it affects rolls. Same page in the old version, next page in the new.

Disobedience affects all Loyalty and Training rolls by reducing dice on them equal to the disobedience score of the pokemon.

This means the Loyalty score of your pokemon must be higher than its Disobedience score if you want a chance at controlling it.

Should we just nix that and keep applying it the same way we've been doing it so far?

[Lord Windos]

Done with post. You have no idea how much I had to fight this tablet to get it to type faster than 10 WPS... @Dragonstrike , you can respond to Ven, since I got this tablet to function right.... On to the next day!

[Iron]

I have been applying that rule whenever I remember to.

The only Pokemon with Disobedience are Kirlia, Arbok, and Noibat - the latter two perform very few training rolls. So basically Kirlia is the only one who's gotten away with it, and Kirlia's Loyalty is so high (in practice even if not numerically) that it would be kind of silly to say he's hard to train. Maybe when he evolves.

For disobedience, I guess I've just been making opposed Loyalty vs Disobedience rolls, instead of reducing a single Loyalty roll. This will produce the same result on average, so who cares.

[Dragonstrike]

I have been applying that rule whenever I remember to.

The only Pokemon with Disobedience are Kirlia, Arbok, and Noibat - the latter two perform very few training rolls. So basically Kirlia is the only one who's gotten away with it, and Kirlia's Loyalty is so high (in practice even if not numerically) that it would be kind of silly to say he's hard to train. Maybe when he evolves.

Gardevoir and Gallade actually have 0 Disobedience because of their fierce loyalty to their trainer, so the point is moot by then But alrighty.  Just checking up on that, is all.

EDIT: Though there is ONE advantage to the current Loyalty vs Disobedience system we're using: there's a chance, however small, to control a pokemon with 5 disobedience. With the base version, from what I can tell, it's nearly impossible to control a pokemon with 5 disobedience since they'll always reduce Loyalty rolls to 0 (and thus, a Luck die).

[Lord Windos]

Part of the reason I don't train either Apsis or Lucifer that much is because of their innate disobedience. Apsis REALLY doesn't need to train, though, and there is only one move I absolutely want on Lucifer ( Agility), which means regular battles will suffice for his needs. Either way, those rules do not impact me overly much, so eh.

[Iron]

That's pretty clever. I like it. However, that implies they'd be obedient if traded, which feels wrong.

[Lord Windos]

That's pretty clever. I like it. However, that implies they'd be obedient if traded, which feels wrong.

Hey, they only said they are loyal to their trainer, not to just one specific person, so rules can be loosely interpreted if you want! Though, since I doubt Nathan would ever trade Kirlia away, it's a moot point.

[Dragonstrike]

That's pretty clever. I like it. However, that implies they'd be obedient if traded, which feels wrong.

Yeah, I like how clever it is too.  But don't forget, the GM can assign disobedience as they wish.  Whether it's lower or higher than usual.  A member of the Ralts line that isn't Ralts itself, and that has spent some significant time with one particular trainer, would probably gain some disobedience if traded without good reason.  Particularly Gardevoir and Gallade.  Their disobedience might even shoot up to 4 or 5, I'd feel.

[Lord Windos]

Consider Gardevior's "Die for my master" attitude, I feel a 6 on the disobedience score might be merited. Gallaudet seems like he could function as a grouchy knight errant, so maybe 5 in his case if trade away?