[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

I probably have him outright bring up that fact (That he would be more than willing to tell him, if an alternative method of telling him could be found) over in his voice message, if just to be expediant about the whole thing. In game, I could have Ventus become so guilt ridden that he could not but try and help Nate out anyway in whatever manner he could, even if it ends up breaking the spirit of his agreement with Shiva. He doesn't like his friend unhappy, you know...

As for camping gear, just have Kirlia remember that they have absolutely no Repel or camping gear, and get him to rush in to ask Ven for it. Considering how much the little guy cares for a Nathan, that sounds like a thing it would do!

[Dragonstrike]

It's up to Iron what Kirlia does in terms of actions and when, though I wouldn't put it past the dancer to try and look out for Nathan while he's not looking. Plus, he wouldn't be capable of turning down help from Kirlia if the pokemon decided to try and remedy at least some of the dangers, even if that aid was also provided by Ventus and/or Shiva. If that happens though, hopefully they get the message that Nathan's just trying to...not be around them currently. Which could be for any number of reasons, but hey, what can ya do?

Well then, I think that's enough excitement for one night. Time for a snooze, then a dance with consequences later. Fun fun fun, amiright?

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Haha, looks like I missed things going...a little difficult between Ven and Nathan.

There is one important thing to keep in mind: Shiva only hinted secret Daycare-Mission to Ven because she knew she could not hide it for long since he reads in her like in a book with his empathic skills, plus she only revealed the truth there at the Dojo because Ven threathened to dig on his own - something she knew would enthreathen the mission FAR more that just telling and asking him to keep it for himself.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Iron, I know that male and female Meowstic habe a different HA, but thanks again for reminding! I was hoping even more for a male exemplar when I saw it had Own Tempo, since Prankster-Psychic cat is quite cool (and very handy). ^^

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Of course, the easy solution is to tell him the most important part about that secret: that it has something to do with bringing down Almanac.  But that could be a bit of a stretch, understandably.  It would, however, conclude everything that's causing problems since he'd finally know why.  And 'why' is a pretty important word for him on just about everything.

If you want to be scevy, though , there is this plan: you could just have Nathan send Porygon 2 to ask for answers, Ventus could happily tell it (Its not a person, so he's not breaking his agreement!), and it could just compose and email/text file with the relevant information and give it to Nathan itself, along with a postscript that tells him not to let on about knowing the secret. Ven gets to keep technically 'keep' the secret, and Nathan is let into the loop!

...The fact that I'm coming up with covuluted ways to break Ven's oath with Shiva really says how much I dislike this whole secret thing to begin with. I thought it was a bolucks idea, and it's done no good beside trigger Kirlia's evo.

Eh, nope. I definitely prefer NOT to involve Nathan into my secret mission about infiltrationg The Almanac AT ALL, nor even hinting it has to do with them, for various reasons. (You heard this as well, @Iron? I feel it's plotrelevant, after all.) That mission feels like it's my personal thing and I enjoy this secret mission way too much to share it with any other party member. I feel like it's a perfect customized sideplot for my character. In-character, involving someone else in it would give Shiva a feeling of being plain and greatly underestimated and would cause her to become very bitter against the others. I wished for my character to develop some more self-confidence during the campaign, and I'm thankful to GM for granting me such a great opportunity. Involving someone else would likely prevent this from happening, even if that person would simply knows about the mission. Ventus knows, but I trust he's smart enough to not to intervene unasked.

Doesn't matter in what way, but I don't want Nathan to know anything about it, neither through telling it through a Porygon2 or anything - (telling is telling, no matter it's not a person). Sorry for this, but that's the way it is and you have to deal with it please.

[Dragonstrike]

Nathan's not asking to be involved.

He's asking 'why?'

Why Ralts evolved into Kirlia. Why Shiva and Ventus can't seem to trust him with even a little of that information.

Nathan has a very hard time letting go of the past. 'Why' is a question he always tries to answer. He gets incredibly frustrated if he can't. Add on to that the fact that this involves his best friend in the whole world and those he wishes to try and be friends with, and it only magnifies the issue.

It's driving him away. (enough atm to have him run off without the rest of the group temporarily)

He doesn't want to fight over this. He doesn't want to have to worry about stepping on Shiva's toes on the matter. But every time he finds another reason to worry about it, it makes it that much harder for him to remain a solid friend.

[Lord Windos]

Of course, the easy solution is to tell him the most important part about that secret: that it has something to do with bringing down Almanac.  But that could be a bit of a stretch, understandably.  It would, however, conclude everything that's causing problems since he'd finally know why.  And 'why' is a pretty important word for him on just about everything.

If you want to be scevy, though , there is this plan: you could just have Nathan send Porygon 2 to ask for answers, Ventus could happily tell it (Its not a person, so he's not breaking his agreement!), and it could just compose and email/text file with the relevant information and give it to Nathan itself, along with a postscript that tells him not to let on about knowing the secret. Ven gets to keep technically 'keep' the secret, and Nathan is let into the loop!

...The fact that I'm coming up with covuluted ways to break Ven's oath with Shiva really says how much I dislike this whole secret thing to begin with. I thought it was a bolucks idea, and it's done no good beside trigger Kirlia's evo.

Eh, nope. I definitely prefer NOT to involve Nathan into my secret mission about infiltrationg The Almanac AT ALL, nor even hinting it has to do with them, for various reasons. (You heard this as well, @Iron? I feel it's plotrelevant, after all.) That mission feels like it's my personal thing and I enjoy this secret mission way too much to share it with any other party member. I feel like it's a perfect customized sideplot for my character. In-character, involving someone else in it would give Shiva a feeling of being plain and greatly underestimated and would cause her to become very bitter against the others. I wished for my character to develop some more self-confidence during the campaign, and I'm thankful to GM for granting me such a great opportunity. Involving someone else would likely prevent this from happening, even if that person would simply knows about the mission. Ventus knows, but I trust he's smart enough to not to intervene unasked.

Doesn't matter in what way, but I don't want Nathan to know anything about it, neither through telling it through a Porygon2 or anything - (telling is telling, no matter it's not a person). Sorry for this, but that's the way it is and you have to deal with it please.

Phantom, I'm tired of this. Plain and simple. Is Shiva's self worth more important the friendship of Nathan? To me, it's not. I always thought that this secret mission was just nonsense that was going to cause problems, and eve since Kirkland has evolved, it has. Our characters have been at each other's throats over this, all because they can't fucking be trusted to just be in the know and not blooody interfere.  I'm also tired of my character being at odds at Dragonstrikes. You know, I wanted to bring up Hounour so that Ventus could just accept that he has it, and let the matter go, all because I thought it would be great character development AFTER he almost died from the nightmare suddenly collapsing on them all.He clearly has his vendettas and phobia, but he should NEVER let them interfere with his friendship. Otherwise, he'll end up like Sans...

Basically, even though I like drama in the story, and that Ventus being a bezerker is a part of his character, I'm willing to tone that down or adjust it so that it does not create lasting harm for the group. Heck, I even retconed and decided against my character initial murder of Rattatta because of the fact that the whole deal was going to rapidly spiral out of control if preventive measures were not enforced. At this point, the Daycare mission has literally torn the group apart, all because we can't just Znathan know the tiniest bit of info, especially the bits concerning Kirlia's evo. @Iron, I'm asking for this whole business to just be thrown out into the open soon. I hate it when everyone is at odds with one another, and this is causing discord or more.

If something isn't done soon, or we can't come to an accord on the matter, then I have to use my own judgement and just 'let' Nathan find out about this, one way or another.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Why Ralts evolved into Kirlia.  Why Shiva and Ventus can't seem to trust him with even a little of that information.

1. Daycare owners asked her to keep things secret. It's not like she enjoys the fact that she somewhat broke that promise... However, seeing that Ven was experienced in keeping things top-secret (see Project Silverfish) she feels a little better. As for Nathan, she simply does not want to risk a thing because she feels like he is a person who might accidently share a word to the wrong ears in the heat of a moment or battle.

2. Shiva is not a person who openly shares her thoughts and intentions, unlike Nathan who is not the type to keep secrets.

3. If she'd tell him why Ralts evolved, it's equal to revealing the mission to him.

Yes, it's that simple. She prefers to move forward instead of dwelling in the 'why' for long. She still cares for Nathan, though, after all that happened. She really does since she is a loyal soul and values him. You could say she cares for both Nathan and Ven equally, but on a different level and for different reasons.

Is Shiva's self worth more important the friendship of Nathan? To me, it's not. I always thought that this secret mission was just nonsense that was going to cause problems, and ever since Ralts has evolved, it has.

Well, sorry that I enjoy my sideplot that much. To me and Shiva, maybe it is if we're very very honest. She'd still manage to get along normally with Nathan, but none forces them to be he brightest and happiest friends.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Additionally, mabye if The Almanac is down and it all falls into pieces nicely, things will be fine again. And Nathan would understand. These are things I have faith in.

[Lord Windos]

Phantom, you are being VERY obstinate on this matter. The point Im trying to make is that if you keep this up, it's likely she'll lose the friendship of either Nathan, Ventus, or BOTH. Ven doesn't mind secrets, so long as they don't negatively impacts others by keeping, whether they know about said secret or not. Nathan hate been rejected and kept out by people he's grown fond of. I'm extremely tempted to retcon my last post and just have Ventus rush out and tell the boy, as Ven thought that a Nathan would react understandably to his explanation, not tear out of there in furious betrayal.

Something has to give Phantom, and I leaning more and more on Nathan's side. Him knowing about the mission and being explicitly told not to but into it would be fine in my book, as it's not likely that the boy willl rush off to the daycare to muck around in your chara's business. Can't Shiva has her subplot eithout being spitefully against other of just knowing about it?

@Dragonstrike, what are your thoughts on the matter? I'm not posting in the thread until this is resolved, one way or another.