[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

Oh my...FOUR vitality?  Guess Ventus is feeling almost as spry as he used to before Skuntank happened.

Yeap ! He just needs to raise STR by 1 , and he be fully recovered! I plannon developing his support skills in knowledge and Medicine to help reinforce his role as the party 's protected and caretaker , and to show that he 's actually starting to absorb all the info he has gained on Cheshire . Evasion will get a point later , if only to be able to properly preform it!

[Dragonstrike]

And there it is.

So, do you think it was worth the several hours it took to type?

[Lord Windos]

And there it is.

So, do you think it was worth the several hours it took to type?

I personally thought it hit all the rights notes , and adressed Shiva 's sense of isolation and guilt over this. That , and promisingvto help support her adresses her inadequacy issues as well! I think Nathan speech wasr a stellar overall, and will do a world of good for her right now! 

Only problem is that he dodnt quite try to fix her own flagging self worth and depression / emotional fritz , but that is more of Ventus area expertise I imagine.

Speaking of which , Ventus never once came up in that conversation , not did Shiva exactly mention what mpted her to open up to him about so many things. I'm just wondering how Nathan will learn about what transpired between them, or if he will enever learn at all?

fOff topic a little bit , but how much same would Kirlia do to Apsis now with a fully boosted Confusion , now that the snake has grown even more mega buff!

[Dragonstrike]

As far as her self worth goes, Nathan did say that she's stronger than she might think. It's a small consolation, but it's earnest. He's seen first hand just how strong she can be. He didn't talk about the 'support from the shadows' part, but he doesn't feel like he needs to. She'll have her time to shine eventually. That much, he's certain of.

As far as the depression goes, most everything he mentioned ties into that in some way. While he didn't say anything about it directly, Kirlia is NOT telling him she was thinking about doing something irreversible. It's not something he needs to know about if it isn't an immediate emergency. Hopefully, this support from Nathan helps to fix most of that depression since it hit most of the causes. It won't fix all of it since Ventus is still a cause for concern for her, but Nathan doesn't know that yet either.

And if Shiva wants to talk about any of it further, well...Nathan's already promised his support for whatever she needs already. He's familiar with emotional fritzes and depression for obvious reasons, so he has some solid advice to give if asked for it.

Currently, Kirlia's damage pool with Confusion against Aspis is:

2 Power + 3 Strength + 1 Clamperl Pearl + 1 STAB + 1 SE - 4 Vitality = 3 D6 + 1 Damage

Add in one more D6 if Kirlia has Calm Mind up.

Four damage dice + 1 is still pretty respectable!

And Kirlia has plenty of tricks to try and even the playing field against that giant HP stat of 15. I'm not sure if Acid Spray should lower attack or defense, though...the writers changed it to attack, but that entirely changes the usage of the move from how it works in the games...

[Lord Windos]

As far as her self worth goes, Nathan did say that she's stronger than she might think.  It's a small consolation, but it's earnest.  He's seen first hand just how strong she can be.  He didn't talk about the 'support from the shadows' part, but he doesn't feel like he needs to.  She'll have her time to shine eventually.  That much, he's certain of.

As far as the depression goes, most everything he mentioned ties into that in some way.  While he didn't say anything about it directly, Kirlia is NOT telling him she was thinking about doing something irreversible.  It's not something he needs to know about if it isn't an immediate emergency.  Hopefully, this support from Nathan helps to fix most of that depression since it hit most of the causes.  It won't fix all of it since Ventus is still a cause for concern for her, but Nathan doesn't know that yet either.

And if Shiva wants to talk about any of it further, well...Nathan's already promised his support for whatever she needs already.  He's familiar with emotional fritzes and depression for obvious reasons, so he has some solid advice to give if asked for it.

Currently, Kirlia's damage pool with Confusion against Aspis is:

2 Power + 3 Strength + 1 Clamperl Pearl + 1 STAB + 1 SE - 4 Vitality = 3 D6 + 1 Damage

Add in one more D6 if Kirlia has Calm Mind up.

Four damage dice + 1 is still pretty respectable!  

And Kirlia has plenty of tricks to try and even the playing field against that giant HP stat of 15.  I'm not sure if Acid Spray should lower attack or defense, though...the writers changed it to attack, but that entirely changes the usage of the move from how it works in the games...

Must have missed the other meaning of the 'stronger than you think' part of Nathan 's speech , so forgive me of being critical on that point.

As for the depression andwhirlwind of emoions plus numbness that Shiva's experirncing... Nathan can certainly relate to her like Ventus and offer advice , but he doesn't really have the same grasp of emtions like an empath can. Ben also has much more experience handling this of enotional fallout...even if most of it is from treating his own issue by himself , and a few other cases. 

That , and the fact he has a hidden crush/closer personal bond with her than Nathan , he might be able to reach farther into her and help deal with some problems that she would not be comfortable sharing with Nate .

4d6 + 1 is good , but you are more likely to average out 2-3 damage per hit , thought that adds up quickly with Consec. Attacks ! If Apsis land's an Acid Spray , though , or Raphael Charms them in A DB , Then the damage sops further to 1-2 damage per attack which is somewhat woeful even with multiple actions . If Iron decides to change it back to how it work in the games, though , then Korma is going to be in big trouble from Bites...

[Dragonstrike]

Must have missed the other meaning of the 'stronger than you think' part of Nathan 's speech , so forgive me of being critical on that point.

As for the depression andwhirlwind of emoions plus numbness that Shiva's experirncing... Nathan can certainly relate to her like Ventus and offer advice , but he doesn't really have the same grasp of emtions like an empath can. Ben also has much more experience handling this of enotional fallout...even if most of it is from treating his own issue by himself , and a few other cases. 

That , and the fact he has a hidden crush/closer personal bond with her than Nathan , he might be able to reach farther into her and help deal with some problems that she would not be comfortable sharing with Nate .

4d6 + 1 is good , but you are more likely to average out 2-3 damage per hit , thought that adds up quickly with Consec. Attacks ! If Apsis land's an Acid Spray , though , or Raphael Charms them in A DB , Then the damage sops further to 1-2 damage per attack which is somewhat woeful even with multiple actions . If Iron decides to change it back to how it work in the games, though , then Korma is going to be in big trouble from Bites...

Nathan might not have empathic abilities, but Kirlia does (to an extent).  If Shiva is willing to talk about it, Kirlia can help him with understanding if needed by relaying the important emotions.

As for that bond part...well, I've been building on that for awhile now, if you hadn't noticed yet.  But, Shiva has developed her bond with Ventus more than Nathan since he was a bit more separated from Ventus and Shiva for a good chunk of the campaign so far, I'll give you that much...I'm hoping that last post helps to show the results of how much that's developed recently, though.

I'd be more worried about further Acid Sprays.  Kirlia's weak to poison and not dark, all due to that fairy typing.  When he evolves into Gallade though...well, he's going to tear holes in both of those types.  And will have access to Swords Dance to counteract Charm/pokerole Acid Spray completely.  And Calm Mind also helps with mitigating Acid Spray a little.  And then there's Double Team.  Pretty easy to nullify a lot of the attacks that are incoming with that move in effect (as long as RNG doesn't screw ya over).

I'm somewhat conflicted on WHEN I want to evolve him, though...I was considering doing it pretty soon after I get the Dawn Stone, but now that his Dream Eater attack is only half the cost (normally it's 59 exp for Kirlia, now it's 29/30)...the other issue with it though is that Hypnosis isn't half the cost (and it costs 53 exp)...Charm (50), Future Sight (45), Imprison (39), and Lucky Chant (17) are all pretty tempting too...Magical Leaf (22) is another consideration, but isn't as crucial since Gallade gets Leaf Blade.  Heal Pulse (25) is also on the list, but also isn't an issue since Gallade can still learn it for the same amount of exp.

[Lord Windos]

Nathan might not have empathic abilities, but Kirlia does (to an extent).  If Shiva is willing to talk about it, Kirlia can help him with understanding if needed by relaying the important emotions.

As for that bond part...well, I've been building on that for awhile now, if you hadn't noticed yet.  But, Shiva has developed her bond with Ventus more than Nathan since he was a bit more separated from Ventus and Shiva for a good chunk of the campaign so far, I'll give you that much...I'm hoping that last post helps to show the results of how much that's developed recently, though.

I'd be more worried about further Acid Sprays.  Kirlia's weak to poison and not dark, all due to that fairy typing.  When he evolves into Gallade though...well, he's going to tear holes in both of those types.  And will have access to Swords Dance to counteract Charm/pokerole Acid Spray completely.  And Calm Mind also helps with mitigating Acid Spray a little.  And then there's Double Team.  Pretty easy to nullify a lot of the attacks that are incoming with that move in effect (as long as RNG doesn't screw ya over).

I'm somewhat conflicted on WHEN I want to evolve him, though...I was considering doing it pretty soon after I get the Dawn Stone, but now that his Dream Eater attack is only half the cost (normally it's 59 exp for Kirlia, now it's 29/30)...the other issue with it though is that Hypnosis isn't half the cost (and it costs 53 exp)...Charm (50), Future Sight (45), Imprison (39), and Lucky Chant (17) are all pretty tempting too...Magical Leaf (22) is another consideration, but isn't as crucial since Gallade gets Leaf Blade.  Heal Pulse (25) is also on the list, but also isn't an issue since Gallade can still learn it for the same amount of exp.

Your efforts in building the bonds between Ven , Shiva , and Nathan have far from gone unnoticed ; Ventus not Shiva would not be willing to help you out or feel guilty about causing him pain if they didn't consider him a close friend . Its that , no matter how hard we tried , it seems we can t get all the viterol and tension out of our friendship. We can be happy and chill one moment , and BOOM the mext! Its pretty hectic at times , eh?

Taunt can stop non damaging move outright , while Sleep from either Raphael or Michael ( Soon! ) makes it hard to dodge around , eh? That , and Apsis has access to Bind AND Paralysis to completely lock down a nything's movements , which means they won't escape her that easily. Or she could just clamp down on a body part of Kirlia and never let got , and just trash the psychic around by repeatedly smashing them against the ground HARD. Also , once Aoe  come into play, NOTHING can dodge them, so evasion is kaput aswell.

[]Gallade can take Apsis on more easily , but then they become a play thing to Raphael, and they have Priority , never miss moves and SE Flying STABs that can quickly whittle it down to a nub . Lucifer also can give the ESP fighter a hard time too with Leech Life and Flying STABs, but it has to watch out for Drain Kiss too...

I can help tutor ML through Shiva , and you can always as r up for Hypnosis first THEN get DE. I m still hording points for Spore , so if that does not tell you patience , then I don't know what will.

[Dragonstrike]

Most of the tension is being weeded out little by little, thankfully. I think the only real issue left (aside from the slandering Nathan thing) is the whole 'killing pokemon' thing. Which Ventus is working on (slowly, but it's being worked on. I think.).

While the battle discussion is interesting, I feel there's not too much of a point discussing it currently. Maybe a little later down the line, it'll be more relevant. Though I will say I feel like I have some sort of answer to a lot of the stuff that could be thrown at me (though they vary greatly in effectiveness, of course). Also want to drop a reminder though that Fairy and Fighting also resist Bug, so Leech Life wouldn't be SE either. And AOEs can still be evaded, at least mechanically (still doesn't really explain how some of them might be evaded, but...go game logic for somehow making it possible for an EQ to miss...). Well, unless the GM says otherwise. Bubble, Swift, and Electroweb? Yeah, I don't think there's too many problems with dodging those.

As far as other options for teaching those particular moves...well, Dream Eater is also a TM starting in gen 4, but none of the other moves are typical TMs/tutor moves, so tutoring them would be sketchy at the very least. I think it could make sense for a pokemon that already knows the move helping another trying to learn it naturally might accelerate the process, though (could do that with everything except Imprison, Future Sight, and Heal Pulse)...but that's just some rambling from me, I guess.

[Lord Windos]

Most of the tension is being weeded out little by little, thankfully.  I think the only real issue left (aside from the slandering Nathan thing) is the whole 'killing pokemon' thing.  Which Ventus is working on (slowly, but it's being worked on.  I think.).

I want make it clear that Ventus will never entirely stop killing ( wild )  Pokemon , mate . Apsis still needs to feed , and any dangerous Pokemon that poses a substantial to the group or to his own person/family  will be summarily slaughtered unless he is given a logical reason not to, or If killing said creature would do more Harlem than good. 

He 's going to be ok with Houndour , for instance , because he believes that Nathan will have it under control. If it acts too far out of line , though , Gen will get twitchy...
If a wild Pokemon use a Lethal Damage move at ALL without sufficient provocation in his eyes ( He trying to kill it instead of capturing or train aagainst it ) , it will be put to death in most cases. He would have snapped his Stunky 's neck for using Night Slash if it had not been Shiny , and the only reason he did not confirm Rattattas death was it would have killed his friendship with everyone.

What s happening is that my character is learning not to directly involve killing Pokemon in front of the group , or try to reason it out with them instead of deciding to kill something straight up . JHes also going to try and be less..  nintense about his reactions , as 'he's learning that causes just as much problems for everyone as kill I g the Pokemon in the first place. eLess bloo.d thirsty hate filled murder torture and eice cold blood killing , and more calmly taking said Pokemon to be quickly and painlessly ' euthanize ' .

eWell , most of the time . Ven has his triggers like everyone else ...

Good night , see you in the morning !

[Dragonstrike]

Which is fair enough. Again, I don't really expect Ventus to change radically, just...control it a bit better as time goes on. Nathan will at least be able to come to terms with it eventually, even if he still won't be able to stomach it. And the nicer Ventus gets about it, the easier it will be on Nathan's conscience. Nathan's really just an extreme case of a Creshire native's respect for pokemon.

Hunting prey pokemon is actually becoming more of a valid concern for Nathan, too, what with him having Galvantula and Houndoom later. And I actually have an interesting idea for helping to solidify that Ventus is part of the 'pack' later down the line once Nathan's more comfortable with that...everyone involved might not like it at first, but...

There's also Absol to consider, which is more of a feline-like pokemon. Not like anyone will miss a few Magikarp anyways, right?