[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Dragonstrike]

....Are you trying to turn Raphael against my character, @Dragonstrike? Keep in mind that if they show a great enough difference in opinion like the last time this happen (The Clearing Razing), they are going to be traded away post haste. Ventus does not want to force his own child to suffer him if they can't be of like mind on a matter, and I frankly don't want a Pokémon on his team inadvertidly sabtoging his mood due to outside interference and them just being 'too different' to truely get along.

Nathan's not trying to change any opinions right now, only asking what the current ones are now that Raphael has finally met the dog.  And I want @Iron's input specifically, obviously.

And maybe instead of trading Raphael away in response to a difference in opinion (if there is one now or in the future), maybe Ventus should seriously consider why Raphael's opinion is different in the first place, be a little more open-minded like Nathan's trying to be.  There's room for development here.

[Lord Windos]

Nathan's not trying to change any opinions right now, only asking what the current ones are now that Raphael has finally met the dog.  And I want @Iron's input specifically, obviously.

And maybe instead of trading Raphael away in response to a difference in opinion (if there is one now or in the future), maybe Ventus should seriously consider why Raphael's opinion is different in the first place, be a little more open-minded like Nathan's trying to be.  There's room for development here.

He would consider Raphael's opinion....and either try to futilely/not so futilely try convince them to believe/support his viewpoint, or understand where they come from but still trade them away due to them no longer being in alighment when it comes to their respective beliefs/morality. Either way, the archangel is most likely going to be slated for being traded to someone that can better gel with them if they get into another big disagreement, and Ven will get a Pokémon that will be more open minded to his way of thinking, or at least be neutral in its opinon. Development going to happen....its just not going be the nice type for him.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I feel it's not very nice trying to force a development, and I dare you bringing Ventus to trade Raphael away. That'd only lead to problems that could have been avoided...

Just saying.

[Dragonstrike]

He would consider Raphael's opinion....and either try to futilely/not so futilely try convince them to believe/support his viewpoint, or understand where they come from but still trade them away due to them no longer being in alighment when it comes to their respective beliefs/morality. Either way, the archangel is most likely going to be slated for being traded to someone that can better gel with them if they get into another big disagreement, and Ven will get a Pokémon that will be more open minded to his way of thinking, or at least be neutral in its opinon. Development going to happen....its just not going be the nice type for him.

I feel it's not very nice trying to softforce a development, and I dare you bringing Ventus to trade Raphael away.

Just saying.

I'm not saying 'development' happens right away if it's possible.  I'm sure Raphael still has his own doubts currently.  

Quite frankly, though, I don't want this mindset of 'he's a 'demon dog,' so he must be horrible' to continue indefinitely.  That's going to be terrible to try and play around, and we all know that.  Orthros isn't going anywhere, and there's plenty of opportunity for Ventus to be proven wrong in the future.  Be it from Raphael, Shiva, or another source.  Or multiples of those sources.

Togekiss also 'bring blessings to those who respect others' rights and avoid needless strife.'  If Ventus is treating Orthros like dirt all the time, that conflict is bound to come up eventually regardless.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Besides, how big is the interest in a Cleanse Tag for everyone in the group? I kinda like how they're created and am indeed pondering about getting one at least for Shiva herself. She'd make those for others as well, but only if it will be appreciated and used and the person pays on their own for the piece of paper, cloak etc. (choose freely)

[Dragonstrike]

Besides, how big is the interest in a Cleanse Tag for everyone in the group? I kinda like how they're created and am indeed pondering about getting one at least for Shiva herself. She'd make those for others as well, but only if it will be appreciated and used and the person pays on their own for the piece of paper, cloak etc. (choose freely)

Nathan is going to be ALL for getting a Cleanse Tag.  Particularly since Rotom doesn't seem to care about them at all, so there's no need to worry about it getting upset over that.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I already said that these Delta Houndors are dreamdemons for Shiva - if Orthros proves that he's not and leaves Shiva's new dream catcher alone, that's much appreciated - but it won't change much or actually anyhing that she'd like to keep her respectful distance to the dog. It'll let her head to bed without subliminal fear though.

[Lord Windos]

Quite frankly, though, I don't want this mindset of 'he's a 'demon dog,' so he must be horrible' to continue indefinitely.  That's going to be terrible to try and play around, and we all know that.  Orthros isn't going anywhere, and there's plenty of opportunity for Ventus to be proven wrong in the future.  Be it from Raphael, Shiva, or another source.  Or multiples of those sources.

Togekiss also 'bring blessings to those who respect others' rights and avoid needless strife.'  If Ventus is treating Orthros like dirt all the time, that conflict is bound to come up eventually regardless.

I'll just say this on the subject: Orthros CAN become a friendly entity in Ven's eyes, but its going to take a loooooong time (Years) and/or extraordinary effort to accomplish that, so the easier path is just have Ven learn to bottle up/hide his animosity towards them. Keep in mind that he has legitimate fears not to trust them, and he's not got the highest faith in Nathan's ability right now, so the best way to get him to better tolerate them is somehow to get Shiva to force the issue.

If it becomes an issue, then Raphael gets traded away. Simple, easy, done. I'll miss them, and Ven will be devastated by this, but its in both our best interest to learn and let go in that probably instance...

[Lord Windos]

Besides, how big is the interest in a Cleanse Tag for everyone in the group? I kinda like how they're created and am indeed pondering about getting one at least for Shiva herself. She'd make those for others as well, but only if it will be appreciated and used and the person pays on their own for the piece of paper, cloak etc. (choose freely)

Ven would very much like a Metal Cleanse Tag, but he doesn't really have the Poke to foot it right now, and I'd much rather save up for either the Wide Lens, Rocky Helmet, a TM (or some combination thereof) at the Dpt. Store. Oh, and the Fast Incubator not from Almanac! That too!

[Lord Windos]

@Iron : Before you do Raphael's reaction, keep in mind the Nasty Plot buff/mod they have, since it DOES affect their state of mind/beliefs enough to have a tangible affect on their decisions/responses as you ruled earlier on it.