[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Spiritmon]

Hmm...in short I will have to choose evolve Honedge in Aegslash or evolve him in Doublade. Its that right @Iron?

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Hello Iron! Nice to see you... Did anything happen or were you just busy the last two days?

Rehearsals and good cabin construction stuff. In fact, I'm off to rehearsal now, which is why my post to Shiva ended abruptly. Sorry about that! I will get to all your actions tomorrow afternoon, I hope. Maybe not though! Busy busy busy!

We're rebuilding my driveway and backfilling the foundation!

Sounds indeed busy, but in the good way! Lots of exiting stuff and progress. C:

That explains why the post feels cut off, but I don't mind waiting too much - I likely wouldn't have made it to reply propery today anyway. 'Till then, night!~

[Dragonstrike]

Iron sent me some new information in a PM!  I'll be giving everyone in the group a relevant info dump after this first encounter, if you guys don't mind.

[Spiritmon]

Iron sent me some new information in a PM!  I'll be giving everyone in the group a relevant info dump after this first encounter, if you guys don't mind.

No problemo mate. Gonna wrap up soon when Heart encounter end. While its no begin, gonna play a little Darkest Dungeon. Come to me Cthulu!

[Lord Windos]

Max Potions are very good - resale value is 1250$ in 2017 dollars. I don't keep track of things like Payday, that is all on you. If it's been triggered, it does make sense to me that your plan to double it with Heart would have gone through.

....Well, with that price check and mulling things over, I'll have to regretfully decline getting either a Bunnlby or its Egg. I still want them, don't get me wrong, but I just don't have the capital on hand that I'm willing to give up for one of those cuddly powerhouses. Sure, I could make a battle wager with a lot of my Medicinal Items for one of them, but that's WAY too risky with the team I have on hand right now, as a third of them are weak to  Diggersby/Ground and Rock types, and I don't want to use Anubi in a serious high stakes battle (Since Loyalty Dice Rolls can and WILL screw you over). That leaves only Shiranui and Lapis available for a battle, so unless the Engineers are up for a 2v2 Single No Switching Battle where neither side knows what other Pokemon they have/they have time to prep before battle, getting a Bunnlby right now isn't in the cards.

If this is one of the only ways to get a Bunnlby (HA or not) in the campaign, then you might as well take it off my Wishlist, since I neither can afford them 'now' nor want to pay exuberant costs in the future to get a randomized one via Trade in Modern Era. I'll find another interesting Pokemon to replace it (Like a Medichan).....somehow.

@Spiritmon : Personally, I'd say you skip out on getting a Honedge if you want to get it just to get Aegislash. Training one to that point - let alone building the necessary Loyalty and Happiness needed for the kingmaker to pledge fealty towards Heart - is too much trouble and effort for what its worth at this point in the game. Plus, you can't even use it in Gym and Elite Four battles, which to my mind is both a waste and a darn shame, as those are the fights where one get the most payoff + satisfaction using the spectral sword n' shield. Against Bo.....well, no way knowing for sure exactly how much help it will be, but given my experience with Plot Device Encounters I don't have exactly the highest hopes it will make a grand impact against the champ. 

That leaves Aegislash only for wailing on wandering Trainers, Wild Pokemon, and baddies, and while that would be cathartic fun, ask yourself this mate: Is it really worth it for just those scenarios, instead of simply training and improving your existing Pokemon for future conflicts of most any kind?

[Dragonstrike]

@Spiritmon : Personally, I'd say you skip out on getting a Honedge if you want to get it just to get Aegislash. Training one to that point - let alone building the necessary Loyalty and Happiness needed for the kingmaker to pledge fealty towards Heart - is too much trouble and effort for what its worth at this point in the game. Plus, you can't even use it in Gym and Elite Four battles, which to my mind is both a waste and a darn shame, as those are the fights where one get the most payoff + satisfaction using the spectral sword n' shield. Against Bo.....well, no way knowing for sure exactly how much help it will be, but given my experience with Plot Device Encounters I don't have exactly the highest hopes it will make a grand impact against the champ. 

That leaves Aegislash only for wailing on wandering Trainers, Wild Pokemon, and baddies, and while that would be cathartic fun, ask yourself this mate: Is it really worth it for just those scenarios, instead of simply training and improving your existing Pokemon for future conflicts of most any kind?

Or you could just let Spiritmon play this how he wants to.  He doesn't have to optimize every little thing.  And he'll be able to get a loooooot of use out of it as a Honedge/Doublade before (and if) it evolves.  By the time it becomes an Aegislash, we'll probably be done with most (if not all) of the gyms.

Aegislash probably isn't legal for the Champion fight either, btw.  League official battle and all that.  And it's pretty much a given that you won't be able to swap pokemon in between Elite 4 battles, which Aegislash definitely isn't legal in. I suppose you could technically go in with an Aegislash and not use it until the Champion battle...but that doesn't answer the question about whether you can (or should) use it in the Champion battle in the first place.

[Spiritmon]

Spoiler

Max Potions are very good - resale value is 1250$ in 2017 dollars. I don't keep track of things like Payday, that is all on you. If it's been triggered, it does make sense to me that your plan to double it with Heart would have gone through.

....Well, with that price check and mulling things over, I'll have to regretfully decline getting either a Bunnlby or its Egg. I still want them, don't get me wrong, but I just don't have the capital on hand that I'm willing to give up for one of those cuddly powerhouses. Sure, I could make a battle wager with a lot of my Medicinal Items for one of them, but that's WAY too risky with the team I have on hand right now, as a third of them are weak to  Diggersby/Ground and Rock types, and I don't want to use Anubi in a serious high stakes battle (Since Loyalty Dice Rolls can and WILL screw you over). That leaves only Shiranui and Lapis available for a battle, so unless the Engineers are up for a 2v2 Single No Switching Battle where neither side knows what other Pokemon they have/they have time to prep before battle, getting a Bunnlby right now isn't in the cards.

If this is one of the only ways to get a Bunnlby (HA or not) in the campaign, then you might as well take it off my Wishlist, since I neither can afford them 'now' nor want to pay exuberant costs in the future to get a randomized one via Trade in Modern Era. I'll find another interesting Pokemon to replace it (Like a Medichan).....somehow.

@Spiritmon : Personally, I'd say you skip out on getting a Honedge if you want to get it just to get Aegislash. Training one to that point - let alone building the necessary Loyalty and Happiness needed for the kingmaker to pledge fealty towards Heart - is too much trouble and effort for what its worth at this point in the game. Plus, you can't even use it in Gym and Elite Four battles, which to my mind is both a waste and a darn shame, as those are the fights where one get the most payoff + satisfaction using the spectral sword n' shield. Against Bo.....well, no way knowing for sure exactly how much help it will be, but given my experience with Plot Device Encounters I don't have exactly the highest hopes it will make a grand impact against the champ. 

That leaves Aegislash only for wailing on wandering Trainers, Wild Pokemon, and baddies, and while that would be cathartic fun, ask yourself this mate: Is it really worth it for just those scenarios, instead of simply training and improving your existing Pokemon for future conflicts of most any kind?

@Spiritmon : Personally, I'd say you skip out on getting a Honedge if you want to get it just to get Aegislash. Training one to that point - let alone building the necessary Loyalty and Happiness needed for the kingmaker to pledge fealty towards Heart - is too much trouble and effort for what its worth at this point in the game. Plus, you can't even use it in Gym and Elite Four battles, which to my mind is both a waste and a darn shame, as those are the fights where one get the most payoff + satisfaction using the spectral sword n' shield. Against Bo.....well, no way knowing for sure exactly how much help it will be, but given my experience with Plot Device Encounters I don't have exactly the highest hopes it will make a grand impact against the champ. 

That leaves Aegislash only for wailing on wandering Trainers, Wild Pokemon, and baddies, and while that would be cathartic fun, ask yourself this mate: Is it really worth it for just those scenarios, instead of simply training and improving your existing Pokemon for future conflicts of most any kind?

Or you could just let Spiritmon play this how he wants to.  He doesn't have to optimize every little thing.  And he'll be able to get a loooooot of use out of it as a Honedge/Doublade before (and if) it evolves.  By the time it becomes an Aegislash, we'll probably be done with most (if not all) of the gyms.

Aegislash probably isn't legal for the Champion fight either, btw.  League official battle and all that.  And it's pretty much a given that you won't be able to swap pokemon in between Elite 4 battles, which Aegislash definitely isn't legal in.  I suppose you could technically go in with an Aegislash and not use it until the Champion battle...but that doesn't answer the question about whether you can (or should) use it in the Champion battle in the first place.

I can see why you say that Windos. Its indeed a huge amount of effort in train such pokemon to this point of the roleplay. But I still want to capture one for three reasons:

1 - Honedge and all his evolution lines its one of my favourite ghost-type pokemon because of his conection with knights and kingmaker. 

2 - In character reasons. Since Heart its a Pokemon Rare Collector, find many types of pokemons and add to his collection it is something Heart do all times. And what rarest pokemon in Cheshire if not a Honedge?

3 - I want to know how it is the feeling in train a Honedge for future campaighs. Every campaigh end someday, and since our campaigh in Celadon City its close to its end I will problably separate from my char from there. And one of my new character mons I was thinking to make have a more...close aproach like a gladiator and one of my ideas of pokemon it or a Aegislash or Doublade. Thats why I want to capture and train one to see how it the process of training, abilities and moves. Its more easy to do that with a char with good level of skills.

Thats the reasons why I want to get the metalic ghost.

[Lord Windos]

Spoiler

Or you could just let Spiritmon play this how he wants to.  He doesn't have to optimize every little thing.  And he'll be able to get a loooooot of use out of it as a Honedge/Doublade before (and if) it evolves.  By the time it becomes an Aegislash, we'll probably be done with most (if not all) of the gyms.

Aegislash probably isn't legal for the Champion fight either, btw.  League official battle and all that.  And it's pretty much a given that you won't be able to swap pokemon in between Elite 4 battles, which Aegislash definitely isn't legal in.  I suppose you could technically go in with an Aegislash and not use it until the Champion battle...but that doesn't answer the question about whether you can (or should) use it in the Champion battle in the first place.

Mate, it would be remiss of me not to offer my two cents if it could be of help for him. And optimizing gameplay or not, adding another high investment Pokemon when Heart already has others that need the same/similar levels of care sounds......well, like a lot more work and scheduling. Just because I give my own advice, criticism, or word on a matter doesn't mean its wrong or bad for me to do so, nor that anyone has to follow it, let alone listen. So I ask that you don't try to curb me on this, alright?

I'll grant and agree with you that Honedge/Doublade can practically be used in any battle before it evolves, and that the Gyms are liable to be all sorted out by the group when it would finally evolve, but that wasn't the point I was making with them getting one of the spectral swords. If they want one just for its own shake and not actively trying to get Aegislash, then that's more than dandy (if more work), but if they specifically are aiming for and to use the kingmaker, then I say it's not worth it.

As for the whole champeonship process......well, all the more reason not to get an Aegislash if you are correct, in my opinion.

[Lord Windos]

Spoiler

I can see why you say that Windos. Its indeed a huge amount of effort in train such pokemon to this point of the roleplay. But I still want to capture one for three reasons:

1 - Honedge and all his evolution lines its one of my favourite ghost-type pokemon because of his conection with knights and kingmaker. 

2 - In character reasons. Since Heart its a Pokemon Rare Collector, find many types of pokemons and add to his collection it is something Heart do all times. And what rarest pokemon in Cheshire if not a Honedge?

3 - I want to know how it is the feeling in train a Honedge for future campaighs. Every campaigh end someday, and since our campaigh in Celadon City its close to its end I will problably separate from my char from there. And one of my new character mons I was thinking to make have a more...close aproach like a gladiator and one of my ideas of pokemon it or a Aegislash or Doublade. Thats why I want to capture and train one to see how it the process of training, abilities and moves. Its more easy to do that with a char with good level of skills.

Thats the reasons why I want to get the metalic ghost.

Those are all reasons I can understand and greatly respect, so with those in mind I say that getting a Honedge is not a bad idea if you just want to have fun and experiment with it. 

Even if I didn't agree, the choice on what to do with your character is always yours - and that is the way it SHOULD be. All I can do is offer commentary and sometimes advice on the various stuff everyone does, and on occasions make requests of others. Neither of which does not have to be heeded to unless said person wants to, and not strictly so at that. 

In sum, do what you want in the game, regardless of what I say on a given matter, unless it involves directly screwing with another character(s) for no good reason. It would be nice if someone listened, or was at least receptive , but never required or demanded - far from it.

[Spiritmon]

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Or you could just let Spiritmon play this how he wants to.  He doesn't have to optimize every little thing.  And he'll be able to get a loooooot of use out of it as a Honedge/Doublade before (and if) it evolves.  By the time it becomes an Aegislash, we'll probably be done with most (if not all) of the gyms.

Aegislash probably isn't legal for the Champion fight either, btw.  League official battle and all that.  And it's pretty much a given that you won't be able to swap pokemon in between Elite 4 battles, which Aegislash definitely isn't legal in.  I suppose you could technically go in with an Aegislash and not use it until the Champion battle...but that doesn't answer the question about whether you can (or should) use it in the Champion battle in the first place.

Mate, it would be remiss of me not to offer my two cents if it could be of help for him. And optimizing gameplay or not, adding another high investment Pokemon when Heart already has others that need the same/similar levels of care sounds......well, like a lot more work and scheduling. Just because I give my own advice, criticism, or word on a matter doesn't mean its wrong or bad for me to do so, nor that anyone has to follow it, let alone listen. So I ask that you don't try to curb me on this, alright?

I'll grant and agree with you that Honedge/Doublade can practically be used in any battle before it evolves, and that the Gyms are liable to be all sorted out by the group when it would finally evolve, but that wasn't the point I was making with them getting one of the spectral swords. If they want one just for its own shake and not actively trying to get Aegislash, then that's more than dandy (if more work), but if they specifically are aiming for and to use the kingmaker, then I say it's not worth it.

As for the whole champeonship process......well, all the more reason not to get an Aegislash if you are correct, in my opinion.

Relax man. Even if not fully evolved, Honedge/Doublade its a pretty tough pokemon. 7 Resistances, 3 Imunities and only 4 Weakness. That thing its a pretty tough pokemon very difficult to be defeated. I will of course take care the others of course.