[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

Look, I've got a serious question for everyone.

How much do you REALLY care for Nathan's goals?  Is it really just me who wants to really see this through for the sake of achieving a goal my character has had for the entire campaign?  Because that's what it feels like right now, if I'm being honest.

Nathan can't do this alone, guys.

.....Honestly, I DO care about Nathan being reunited with Marco (and so does Terra), but not enough where I'm willing to put Terra at such a grave risk in order to rescue him. If the threat of getting hogtied and turned into a Kadabra for the length of time necessary to explore/find Marco (If he's alive/unKadabraed) is essentially zero, I'm willing to motivate my chara. enough get over his fears and help what he consider his best friend, but otherwise....I'm sorry, but no. As I said, I draw a hard line on some stuff that I/Terra are not willing to put up with, and Transformation/Mind Wiping are some of those things.

That, and I was always one of the advocates that plainly stated we should wait until after dealing with the Treasure Hunt and Deoxys before we double back to the Skull Ruins and save Marco, as we're no longer on a timeline and most likely don't have the Scims. to worry about. I'm not unhappy that we ended up being able to visit KCs without conflict, heck no, but.....well, I do think its a fairly unnecessary diversion at this point in the campaign unless Marco greatly improves the group's odds (Again, If he's functional in some way) when the charas. should be rushing/plodding through the Ruins for the Treasure to stop the Big Bad Deoxys, as saving one person vs saving millions favors saving the many over the few imo.

I wouldn't say anyone in our group (just talking about the actual pokemon trainers atm) is a bad person.

I am wondering though why half the group doesn't seem to want to fully commit to helping Nathan with one of his biggest and most important goals for his entire journey right before the most important part of achieving said goal.  We're so close now...if we stop, why did we even go to the Kadabra Chambers in the first place?  What happened to working together as a team and having each others' backs?

Even Cosh thinks that finding Marco and getting his help is a good enough idea to risk going to the KC.  Having an ally that's comparable to having an Elite 4 member by your side is not something to overlook, particularly in a place like the Skull Ruins.

Do you understand why Terra doesn't want to venture into the Kadabra Ruins? Because his reasons are pretty good in avoiding that place with a ten-thousand yard stick.

I think any motivation to continuing exploring the KCs at the basis of 'We've already spent some much to get here' without a clear concrete guarantee/clue that Marco is actually alive/usable is an example of the sunk cost fallacy in action. Yes, stopping and abandoing the KCs now would be a waste in one aspect, but at least our charas. won't lose out on anything else should they have continued to invest and invest in a hazardous course of action. That, and between the lore Knowledge and the gobbs of XP everyone got from fighting the Kadabra, just the progress currently made now has paid for the time/effort necessary to get into the KCs.

Look, I ALWAYS want to work with you/everyone else, Dragonstrike, but in this case I have my reasons for staying out of this matter, and I'm sticking to them unless Iron makes it pretty clear I should go with you/the group unless I want to deal with whatever punishments he wants to cook up for me staying out of it. The cost of lingering around the KCs is just too much for me.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with working towards a personal goal.  But there have been a lot of times where I've wondered why our group is sticking together, to be honest.  And by extension on occasion (mostly right after Nathan freed Mesprit), I've also wondered why Nathan's still sticking with the group.

And I can't help but wonder: why do I have to ask those questions?

Terra first stuck to the group because it was his job, and later on stuck with them because he see them as his friends and VERY important people he wants to help and defend at all costs. Shiva's sticking around probably because she rather not go it alone and she actually like being with the group (in her own ways) despite the chara. conflict, Heart is great friends with everyone and his own goals align with that of the groups (currently), and Spira is sorta stuck with the group due to him being so temporally dislocated that he can't really function by himself in the current era without someone giving him pointers on how things currently work.

Because we players are known to be conflicting, flanky, and generally uncooperative at the worst of times, and you/Nathan have suffered what I consider the brunt of our bad behavior, so naturally you are wondering if its worth it to stick it out with us. At least, that's my perspective on the matter.

Haha.

It doesn't work, he doesn't count as a Pokemon yet.

Reminds me of when Kyubi was first revived in the CCV campaign.  She wasn't fully a pokemon any more, so any pokeballs Reiner and co. tried to capture her in would just end up fried because they couldn't process the data due to the human DNA she had gained.

Another unintentional element that crosses over campaigns! Woohoo!

[Dragonstrike]

As I said previously, Cosh was willing to disobey his orders and make this detour, Windos.  I think that says a lot about how much this risk could be worth if it pays off.

I'm honestly a little disappointed in Terra right now.  Is helping a friend in need really not a high enough priority?

If we don't get caught by the Kadabra, then I think the odds of being turned into them is rather low.  The odds of that go up if there's not enough of us to fight them off.  The Ruin Maniac we met has been there for 6 months, and he's only half transformed (granted, time works strangely there, but the transformation seems to be rather slow regardless).

There's also still a little more at stake here than just Marco.  If Nathan finds out what happened to his dad, he can get a Key Stone from the League.  That's another big goal of Nathan's.  And if he can get that Key Stone soon enough, he can maybe use it to help fight off Deoxys.

Heck, everyone might be able to get a Key Stone if we find Marco.  This mission's kind of a big deal, after all.




I'm thinking our next target in the KC is the chamber where they stored the Ruin Maniac's pokemon.  If that's where they store ALL the pokemon...then that's where we'll find Luxray, Skarmory, and the rest of Marco's pokemon.  And if we can find Luxray, Luxray can probably find Marco.  And the sooner we can find Marco, the better.

...or at the very least, Nathan will have his dad's pokemon.

[Lord Windos]

As I said previously, Cosh was willing to disobey his orders and make this detour, Windos.  I think that says a lot about how much this risk could be worth if it pays off.

I'm honestly a little disappointed in Terra right now.  Is helping a friend in need really not a high enough priority?

If we don't get caught by the Kadabra, then I think the odds of being turned into them is rather low.  The odds of that go up if there's not enough of us to fight them off.  The Ruin Maniac we met has been there for 6 months, and he's only half transformed (granted, time works strangely there, but the transformation seems to be rather slow regardless).

There's also still a little more at stake here than just Marco.  If Nathan finds out what happened to his dad, he can get a Key Stone from the League.  That's another big goal of Nathan's.  And if he can get that Key Stone soon enough, he can maybe use it to help fight off Deoxys.

Heck, everyone might be able to get a Key Stone if we find Marco.  This mission's kind of a big deal, after all.




I'm thinking our next target in the KC is the chamber where they stored the Ruin Maniac's pokemon.  If that's where they store ALL the pokemon...then that's where we'll find Luxray, Skarmory, and the rest of Marco's pokemon.  And if we can find Luxray, Luxray can probably find Marco.  And the sooner we can find Marco, the better.

...or at the very least, Nathan will have his dad's pokemon.

I understand your logic, and find it quite reasonable at that, but I am still adamant in my decision for Terra to sit this out. I'm not taking any risks with my character here with the Kadabra Chambers, even if they're seemingly negligible. 

Terra really doesn't care or need Mega Evolution all that much. It would be nice for him to have with Anubi/Melly (and maybe Pixie later), but he's not going to be motivated to do anything horrendously risky (in mine/his eyes) for the shake of having access to such power. He's content and cautious like that.

If you absolutely want Terra's help, he could send Solomon and/or Angie back to the KCs to assist with everything. He won't be coming himself, but at least he'll be providing support that Nathan can reasonably control/use.

[Lord Windos]

Heart use some normal Potions to complete heal Quetzal.

Quick Reminder: Spira and/or Nathan have Pokemon that know Heal Pulse, so just ask them to patch up Quetzal instead of burning Potions that won't do much good due to Potion Effectiveness neutering their healing magic. Alternatively/Additionally, Revive Gustav, have another Heal Pulser heal them, then have the cannon fire crayfish Heal Pulse your own Pokemon! Chain Heal Pulses is such a wonderful thing in Pokerole, innit?

Wish Passing could also be a thing that could work for Spreading Heals, but I don't think any Pokemon in our group's collective party knows the Move. Whether or not their is one that can learn it is another question entirely.....

[Spiritmon]

Heart use some normal Potions to complete heal Quetzal.

Quick Reminder: Spira and/or Nathan have Pokemon that know Heal Pulse, so just ask them to patch up Quetzal instead of burning Potions that won't do much good due to Potion Effectiveness neutering their healing magic. Alternatively/Additionally, Revive Gustav, have another Heal Pulser heal them, then have the cannon fire crayfish Heal Pulse your own Pokemon! Chain Heal Pulses is such a wonderful thing in Pokerole, innit?

Wish Passing could also be a thing that could work for Spreading Heals, but I don't think any Pokemon in our group's collective party knows the Move. Whether or not their is one that can learn it is another question entirely.....

There is that too...man, I wish we could find a Alomola. After Celadon City, it was a great Pokemon to use it.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Could we possibly try to not mix up Campaigns or compare them, please? That's not really necessary nor nice in my view.

EDIT: Thank you, dear.

[Lord Windos]

Huh? I don't see much of a problem of doing some quick/simple comparisons (especially since now mine is over for the time being, pretty much), but if you don't want to hear about it, I'll keep mum dear. I don't want to negatively impact your experience with the game just because I blabbered about Celadon City and its decent into CHAOS! .

[Dragonstrike]

...so because Terra and Shiva aren't with the rest of the group atm, we can't take all 5 encounters simultaneously.

Well, this is going to be 'fun'...


Who wants to fight those Sigilyph?

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I'm just chipping in to wish you good luck on taking these Encounters!~ That meowing noise would catch my interest if Shiva would be present.

Remember that this is the 4th Encounter of the current Day - the 5th for Heart because he battled Howl as the first - take care and do great, okay?
( ÒωÓ)و☆

[Mikaruge108]

I'll go for the Sigilyph.