09-29-2016, 02:56 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-29-2016, 03:01 PM by poweroftibarn.)
(09-29-2016, 11:23 AM)tarutaru Wrote: Sorry to say this, but to say my opinion, I just think it's pointless and dangerous at the same time to discuss which Pokemon should be banned without actually doing the battles. Of course it's free to "guess" which Pokemon would be strong in the competetive fields, but when it comes about banning, then it should be treated with extra caution.Well, nothing is banned yet. The reason nothing is banned yet is because of the lack of playtesting, as you mentioned. Consider the mentions in my write up as a watch list of sorts.
There must be plenty of battles held before the decision. After all, even Nucleon and Inflagetah may end up in being "not so strong as it seemed". Also bunch of battling videos might help the decision, as it works as a source of real battle situations, not just theoritical ones.
I'm simply not a fan of the idea to "ban" Pokemon, but really, I'm afraid of Pokemons being banned unfairly because of people saying "Nucleon should be banned, because I think so". Everyone thought M-Salamence would dominate the wi-fi rating battles right after the release of ORAS, and then after a week only a few kept using it and other returned to using M-Kangaskhan and M-Gengar as a mega position as if no new megas were released. Top of the theoritical battles fell to nothing in real battles.
(09-29-2016, 10:39 AM)Jabuloso Wrote: Nucleon should be banned, there's no doubts about that. When a Pokémon has no reliable counter and forces you to always include Pokémons that can at least try to do something against it, well, that Pokémon surely should be banned. Over-centralization isn't a good thing in any metagame, in any game.Lanthan and Metalynx can't reliably counter Yatagaryu when it has Focus Blast at it's disposal. The only true counters to Yatagaryu are Ground types and Luxelong, nothing else can survive more than two hits from Yata (and therefore cannot counter it unless they aren't hard switched in).
Inflagetah is a little bit weaker than Nucleon as there are some ways of playing against it. However, most of the things that threat Inflagetah are weak to Earthquake (which is a reliable move). Even with we had Heatran,a Pokémon that is immune to Flame Impact and resists Extremespeed, it'd still be weak to Earthquake, which leads to a scenario where, even if we theoretically have ways of playing against it, Inflagetah can overcome it's only weakness with just one move. You could switch a Ghost-type into Extremespeed, but, unless that said Ghost-type can win one-on-one, Inflagetah will most likely use Flame Impact which most Ghost-types can't take more than two hits, besides Antarki, but Antarki is weak to Earthquake so, you know. You could switch in a Pokémon with Flash Fire if you're predicting a Flame Impact, but the ones with Flash Fire are all frail and can't take Extremespeed - and one of them is weak to Earthquake too, lol. You could have a bulky Water-type, and that's actually your most reliable choice. To be honest, our best choice would be Mutios, but Mutios isn't available right now. That means Inflagetah forces you to include a Pokémon that can resist at least one of it's STAB moves, and that's over-centralization. In other words, deserves to be banned.
Yatagaryu, imo, doesn't have to be banned. There's plenty of options to counter it, like Lanthan, Metalynx, Mega Whimsicott (not so viable, I think), Luxelong. Alpico can switch into Dragon Pulse and retaliate with a super effective Ice-move; Scarf Laissure can switch into Thunder and kill Yatagaryu with an EQ. Of course, at least 3 of these Pokémons are weak to Focus Blast, but that's isn't a reliable move, so we actually have viable ways to play against the Electric Dragon. There aren't a lot of options, but there are more options than with the previous two Pokémons. However, that's just theory; maybe the reality proves that Yatagaryu is too much for Uranium's meta.
I don't know too much about Syrentide, so I won't dare say anything about it, but, considering what I know about it, I think there's no need in banning it. I can be wrong, of course.
I agree with your opinion on Syrentide. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for everyone else, which is why I mentioned it.


