[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

He'd appreciate it, probably.

However, now there's the issue of what to do with those stairs...I don't think it's a good idea to investigate them right now.  The smart move is probably informing Chief Lumin immediately.  If you guys go down there without Nathan, you'll be leaving him behind in town again (he has to stay in the area until Princess is healed), and there's no telling what you'll find this time, or if you'll even be able to return.

As gung ho as Ventus probably is to investigate that, he'd be going in there without the group's best fighter.  And if it is a base or secret passage for the Scimitars, the group is going to need all the firepower they can get if we go in.  The scimitars had to dig up half the town to make that, after all.  Whatever they made, it's big, and it runs underneath southern Fireweed Forest, maybe even all the way to Chicory Lake...

Ventus may want to paint the world with wizard blood now, but he's not idiotic. He knows that its best to gather the group first and plan out a course of action, before entering the Dungeon. If its possible, we might want to hit up Lumen for some extra supplies, if he'll let us join him (Which he should, given that we know more about this situation than he does.). That, and now that the group is finally together, he can brief him about Genesect, explaining why he's so anger about it, and how he knows so much concerning the legend...

[Dragonstrike]

Before we go any further, I want to hear what @Nylon has to say on those Scimitars first.

[Iron]

It's more about the world. Think about it as a resident of the world. Would people just let you go around threatening to kill their beloved intelligent pets? No way. Murderous people are outed at the earliest possibility, and the cops often have the resources to do it.

99.99% of the people in the world would never behave the way Ventus does. Especially during the Pinsir encounter, when you had absolutely no reason to approve lethal force. It wasn't to protect your party, it was just random. A random stranger. Pokemon fight constantly in this world, and the appearance of a Pokemon is not an excuse to try to kill things.

If any character doesn't abide by the realistic expectations of the world, in public, there are going to be consequences. That's part of RPGs. You have choices, but you have to live by them.

Also, there is a general expectation that you're supposed to be heroes. That can mean different things to different people, but randomly killing characters just to seem edgy is never part of that.

It has nothing to do with teaching a lesson and everything to do with the realistic reactions of the characters inhabiting the same world you do.

[Lord Windos]

Before we go any further, I want to hear what @Nylon has to say on those Scimitars first.

Fair enough, but I just hope he answers in a timely fashion, or we may be waiting for another day...

[Iron]

Shiva, on flipping through the book you didn't see a single thing that could be called a "spell" or any offense-oriented magic. In fact, nothing that changes the world around you at all - just various ways to predict the world's setup. Patterns.

[Iron]

Oh and in this game you are welcome to send whichever Pokemon you want to the PC; doesn't have to be your most recently acquired one.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Left an in for you to have overheard the entire conversation, so your character knows as much as mine does now. Given that I flashfowarded past it, its possible for you to still contribute to the conversastin; Ventus just won't notice you until he leaves for the Center.

Thank you, I appreciate it! Just listening in this case is fine to her, though.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

It has nothing to do with teaching a lesson and everything to do with the realistic reactions of the characters inhabiting the same world you do.

Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind.
By being a lesson to her, I meant that it's not really a good thing to give orders to a companion Pokemon while being in fear. Better option might be await what happens first. She's still relatively new to being a Trainer, so she's happy for any lesson she might get, the consequences of this whole MegaPinsir-Encounter surely paid off on her characterwise.

[Iron]

It's certainly true that characters can develop from this encounter.

[Lord Windos]

It's more about the world. Think about it as a resident of the world. Would people just let you go around threatening to kill their beloved intelligent pets? No way. Murderous people are outed at the earliest possibility, and the cops often have the resources to do it.

99.99% of the people in the world would never behave the way Ventus does. Especially during the Pinsir encounter, when you had absolutely no reason to approve lethal force. It wasn't to protect your party, it was just random. A random stranger. Pokemon fight constantly in this world, and the appearance of a Pokemon is not an excuse to try to kill things.

If any character doesn't abide by the realistic expectations of the world, in public, there are going to be consequences. That's part of RPGs. You have choices, but you have to live by them.

Also, there is a general expectation that you're supposed to be heroes. That can mean different things to different people, but randomly killing characters just to seem edgy is never part of that.

It has nothing to do with teaching a lesson and everything to do with the realistic reactions of the characters inhabiting the same world you do.

I'll have Ventus 'disappear' before he loses his liscene, or go out with a bang, so I got that base covered. And IT is teaching a leasson, Iron, even if you don't say as such, because you are indirectly punishing me acting without foresight/careful preparation. I also knew that Ventus would have difficult time in your campaign due to his unique world view, but I didn't expect or feel the need for the villain in question to go tattle on us, other than just for you to prove a point.

Punish the player for poor descion making all you like, its your prerogative as GM, but do it in such a way that doesn't seem so remarkably contrived. You gave good in game reasonsing for it, but it still feels that way because you wrote that scenario out specifically to trap my character in a bad situation for saying things.

RPG are all about choices and the consequence there of, but I feel like I have to step on eggshell around you for now on Iron because I don't know what will trigger you to go against my character again. Ventus is not randomly killing people, or going to, as you are implying, because he's far too delieberate for that sort of behavior. If he's going to murder someone, its going to be for a damn good reason.

Finally, I came into this game not be a region saving hero, but a Scientist that is highly supportive of his friends/Pokémon. If he just so happened to act heroically during the campaign while committing to his goals, great! But if he just ends doing unsavory things for the great good of his companions, or start carving notches for every wizards he slays, then so be it. He's not a hero: he's a person with his own personal agenda, and he'll fufill it to the best of his abilities

I'm sorry for coming off so hostile in this post, guys, but its situations like this, where the DM expectations does not align with the players and the latter gets punished, just riles me up. I'm not about to rage quit the game, far from it, but it doesn't stop me from be somewhat irritated at the ongoing events.