[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

You managed to do something one step worse, mate: you legitimately pissed my character off with that remark. Ventus hates the concept of heroism, since its the one thing he never could achieve, despite everything he tried to do. He's quite bitter about that.

Quite frankly, that's why Nathan said it.  It's not hard to see Ventus wants to be a hero considering his background.

Ironically, Nathan doesn't want to be a hero, yet here he is trying to figure out what to do about Mesprit and the Skull Ruins...he'd much rather be on the outside looking in than on the inside trying to sort these messes out.  He has enough to deal with himself as it is...

When things settle down a little, the two of them are probably going to have to have a LOOOONNNNNGGGGG talk about this...

So you deliberately had Nathan practically insult my own character by rubbing in his face his own failures to be one, past and present? Niiiiiice. Don't be surprised if Ventus isn't as genial with them as in the past, as once someone manages to actually hurt/offend him, he doesn't forget about it.

Which is something I find darkly amusing as well, as Ven would just love to be in your position, since having a quest practically handed to him by a Legendary would give purpose to his struggles like nothing else, while your character feels the exact opposite about this. My character wouldn't be petty/jealous/spiteful about this if/when he finds out these details, but oh boy will he be bitter....

With the rate things are going, I say it will be until the 6th Gym before things even out between our characters, and that's if they don't screw around with each other in the meantime!

[Dragonstrike]

So you deliberately had Nathan practically insult my own character by rubbing in his face his own failures to be one, past and present? Niiiiiice. Don't be surprised if Ventus isn't as genial with them as in the past, as once someone manages to actually hurt/offend him, he doesn't forget about it.

Which is something I find darkly amusing as well, as Ven would just love to be in your position, since having a quest practically handed to him by a Legendary would give purpose to his struggles like nothing else, while your character feels the exact opposite about this. My character wouldn't be petty/jealous/spiteful about this if/when he finds out these details, but oh boy will he be bitter....

With the rate things are going, I say it will be until the 6th Gym before things even out between our characters, and that's if they don't screw around with each other in the meantime!

That's why Nathan said the second part as well before moving on.  Quite frankly, Nathan also only pushed that point because Ventus pushed his point as well.  And so, there's not really any easy reconciling to be done there.  Our characters have both insulted each other one too many times.  Ventus shouldn't be surprised by the outcome, because Nathan sure as heck isn't.

There is one point where Ventus could sort of be considered a hero.  This just wasn't the time nor place to remind him of it.  It's probably going to be awhile before Nathan brings it up...along with revealing some other stuff...

So, about that Slowpoke...Nathan's probably going to try and catch Ventus at the end of the day and remind him about that.  And say some other stuff concerning that trade that hasn't been established in character yet.  He really does need to get that Slowking ASAP, after all.

[Lord Windos]

So you deliberately had Nathan practically insult my own character by rubbing in his face his own failures to be one, past and present? Niiiiiice. Don't be surprised if Ventus isn't as genial with them as in the past, as once someone manages to actually hurt/offend him, he doesn't forget about it.

Which is something I find darkly amusing as well, as Ven would just love to be in your position, since having a quest practically handed to him by a Legendary would give purpose to his struggles like nothing else, while your character feels the exact opposite about this. My character wouldn't be petty/jealous/spiteful about this if/when he finds out these details, but oh boy will he be bitter....

With the rate things are going, I say it will be until the 6th Gym before things even out between our characters, and that's if they don't screw around with each other in the meantime!

That's why Nathan said the second part as well before moving on.  Quite frankly, Nathan also only pushed that point because Ventus pushed his point as well.  And so, there's not really any easy reconciling to be done there.  Our characters have both insulted each other one too many times.  Ventus shouldn't be surprised by the outcome, because Nathan sure as heck isn't.

There is one point where Ventus could sort of be considered a hero.  This just wasn't the time nor place to remind him of it.  It's probably going to be awhile before Nathan brings it up...along with revealing some other stuff...

So, about that Slowpoke...Nathan's probably going to try and catch Ventus at the end of the day and remind him about that.  And say some other stuff concerning that trade that hasn't been established in character yet.  He really does need to get that Slowking ASAP, after all.

He isn't, but it doesn't stop the slight from hurting him. Fair is fair, though.

What would that be, pray tell? Besides what he's done for Shiva and Cynthia's Togekiss, their isn't anything that spring to mind that is purely 'heroic' .

Ventus is mature enough to get that trade conducted in relative peace, before buggering off far away from him. He offered in the first place, after all.

I'm beginning to get the feeling that while Ventus is the one often misaligned for his actions/nature, that its NATHAN that is going to end up get to brunt of the shaft if things continue to deterote between them. While Nathan acts as the defacto leader most of the time, its Ventus that is pretty well aquanted and friendly with everyone else and more often than not tries to back you up when he needs it. If Nate messes up again and Ven tactilly decides to let the boy ride it out sans his mediation....

[Dragonstrike]

What would that be, pray tell? Besides what he's done for Shiva and Cynthia's Togekiss, their isn't anything that spring to mind that is purely 'heroic' .

I'm beginning to get the feeling that while Ventus is the one often misaligned for his actions/nature, that its NATHAN that is going to end up get to brunt of the shaft if things continue to deterote between them. While Nathan acts as the defacto leader most of the time, its Ventus that is pretty well aquanted and friendly with everyone else and more often than not tries to back you up when he needs it. If Nate messes up again and Ven tactilly decides to let the boy ride it out sans his mediation....

The one thing that Nathan respects the most about Ventus.  If it weren't for that one thing, he probably would find it hard to believe Cynthia had good reason to give Ventus a Togepi at this point, considering what she believes.  I'll leave it at that.

Nathan's not easy to get along with since he's so strongly opinionated and very mistrusting.  Of course he's going to take the fall if it comes to it, because nobody is going to be standing with him.  If you haven't noticed, Nathan hasn't said 'Ven' instead of 'Ventus' for awhile now.  Mostly, he's just been trying to fix things with Shiva, the one person in the group he actually considers a friend currently.

[Lord Windos]

After that battle, Heart make a quick search in the remaines of the Tangrowth and find a Maranga Berry. Sweet! That one will help to have a extra special defence. He let Phantump hold that item for now. He didnt respond the argue between Ventus and Nathan. He is gladly to know Ventus didnt kill the Tangrowth. "Well, uh, I think we should get going. We should enter the city and find any information about what happening.

Only Berries you are allowed to grab are the Common and Uncommon Berries listed in the corebook, @Spiritmon!

Well, that is one point of similarity both Nathan and Heart share: they don't like Pokecide, no matter how justified it is! Though, does your character at least understand and accept (Not necessarily agree of) my character's own logic for his decision?

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

@Lord Windos, can you please hold off posting/taking any actions against these Tangrowth? I wanted to bring in Shiva before you kill any of the remaining, with a compromise for Ven that I hope he'll jump on.

I'll get to it in a little less than one hour.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

My, I have quite the reading to do in Game Thread... Shiva is innocent about it all though, due to being off retieving her Pokemon's items.

[Spiritmon]

He undestand and everything, dont agree, but it undestand. He undenstand if that Tangrowth still there, more chaos would create. But still dont like Pokecide.

[Lord Windos]

@Lord Windos, can you please hold off posting/taking any actions against these Tangrowth? I wanted to bring in Shiva before you kill any of the remaining, with a compromise for Ven that I hope he'll jump on.

I'll get to it in a little less than one hour.

Already resolved, Phantom, since Nathan continue stubbornness, inability to consider Lethal Option as viable/justifiable in certain circumstances, and just refusing to even meet Ventus halfway without at least dodging any responsibility/choice in regards to Lethal Option was so frustrating and distasteful to him that he basically said 'Fuck it, have it your way!' , and just marched off to be by himself after capturing his Tangrowth.

Then Nate decided to deliberate push one of his buttons as spiteful revenge for Ventus' being equally obstinate about his point and belitting/deriding him being a stickler in the worst possible ways to his beliefs. Neither are on good terms with each other, and at this point I believe neither consider each other 'friend' either. Allies yes, but the type that both have to work around in order to get shit done. I don't think Shiva can mend this rift on her own....

[Spiritmon]

Well, we know Nathan Drake its not the most social person in the world.