[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Iron]

In gameplay/consequence terms, being Sanctioned is just a few steps away from getting caught doing something illegal imo, since both put black marks on your record you can practically never remove AND have to pay out the nose in fines. I should know, since I got to be one of the first lab rats that demonstrated what being Sanctioned truly entails , which ruined my plans for a Scizors and had me get Lucifer as a way of covering my losses (I LOVED my little devil, but that's not the point here) AND gave me/Ven an utterly paranoia/suspicious of the Cheshire League Authority (for if the bad guys can sick them on you, can you really rely on them?). It may not be illegal to use Weird Items in League Battles, but when you're slapped with fee and branded for it/denied certain privlages and/or options, it sure feels the same....

Wait, Revoking a Trainer Card is that big of a deal? Now that you brought it up, what's so critical about it that WARS would be waged to have it?

Wars have been fought over the right to revoke a Trainer Card, 'cause without a Trainer Card your ability to own dangerous Pokemon is much more limited.

Which, some would justifiably say, kinda makes you a second class citizen.

Because of those wars, it's now much harder for the League to remove people's Trainer Cards and may involve real courts and higher standards of evidence.

And, reminder, the bad guy theory is all in Ventus' head. It was actually the Doctor who sicced the po-po on him.

[Lord Windos]

Wars have been fought over the right to revoke a Trainer Card, 'cause without a Trainer Card your ability to own dangerous Pokemon is much more limited.

Which, some would justifiably say, kinda makes you a second class citizen.

Because of those wars, it's now much harder for the League to remove people's Trainer Cards and may involve real courts and higher standards of evidence.

And, reminder, the bad guy theory is all in Ventus' head. It was actually the Doctor who sicced the po-po on him.

Huh....well, the more I know, I guess. Makes me glad that the League can't snatch them away willy nilly, as that be a rather gross explotation of power!

I...actually did not know that. I always thought that the Scims or someone connected to them called the Rangers, not Old Doc. Guess wasn't clear to me at the time. Either that, or my memories of those events have gotten hazy as a Competitive Toxapex. 

Huh. 

Still don't like or trust the Cheshire League Authority all that much outside of explicitly staying on their side/out of their sights, but guess that's more of my cynasism for them talking at this point...

[Dragonstrike]

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I...actually did not know that. I always thought that the Scims or someone connected to them called the Rangers, not Old Doc. Guess wasn't clear to me at the time. Either that, or my memories of those events have gotten hazy as a Competitive Toxapex. 

Huh. 

Still don't like or trust the Cheshire League Authority all that much outside of explicitly staying on their side/out of their sights, but guess that's more of my cynasism for them talking at this point...

Yeah...you kinda set yourself up for how that situation ended.  One of the things the Rangers mentioned was they got two calls, the first one from an anonymous source, the second from the victim.  And given that there were only two people in the nearby area that weren't party members, there's only one person that could have made the anonymous call.  So while the Mega Pinsir Trainer did call the rangers, it was the innocent bystander that was the trigger that fired the smoking gun created by blending too much OOC knowledge with IC.  The fact that Sage made off with the incriminating Pinsirite didn't help matters any, either.

Objectively speaking, to an IC outsider with no knowledge of the situation, it looked entirely like you shot first at some random dude who was passing by, asked questions later.  And there was little to no proof in the aftermath that at least some of those IC choices were justified.

[Iron]

It was pretty funny when Sage ran off with the evidence and never ever ever showed up again hahaha.

We're in Fiddler together and sometimes we still laugh about it.

[Dragonstrike]

It was pretty funny when Sage ran off with the evidence and never ever ever showed up again hahaha.

We're in Fiddler together and sometimes we still laugh about it.

At Ventus's recommendation, too. . (Well, as far as the running away with the evidence part goes, anyways)

Oh?  Well then...

[Dragonstrike]

Having two move tutors allows the possibility of chaining - ie Nathan somehow becomes familiar with the move and can pass it along to Shiva who can then pass it along en masse.

That actually sounds like something I could get behind to.

Would it be acceptable to work more with Nathan on improving his move tutoring skills, then?  We work together on this, and it'll be a lot easier on both of us than it would be if we were to do it completely separate from each other.

And then maybe Shiva and Nathan can actually find some common ground in the process that'll help them get along a little better in the long run?  Maybe?

[Dragonstrike]

Interestingly, according to Professor Juniper in Pokemon Black/White, Klink was first discovered in Chargestone Cave 100 years ago (relative to when the events of B/W happened since that's the game it's stated in).

That means in this campaign, Klink was first discovered in Unova around...1911.  So if Klinklang was discovered in 1925, that means it took 14 years for someone to get the bright idea to try exposing Klang to a magnetic field different from the one used to evolve Klink into Klang in the first place.  Or it was completely accidental because nobody thought about the similarities the Klink family has with the Magnemite family.

Juniper also believes that Klink's appearance in Chargestone Cave 100 years ago was very sudden because there was no evidence to suggest that Klink existed prior to when it was first discovered.

[Lord Windos]

Spoiler

Yeah...you kinda set yourself up for how that situation ended.  One of the things the Rangers mentioned was they got two calls, the first one from an anonymous source, the second from the victim.  And given that there were only two people in the nearby area that weren't party members, there's only one person that could have made the anonymous call.  So while the Mega Pinsir Trainer did call the rangers, it was the innocent bystander that was the trigger that fired the smoking gun created by blending too much OOC knowledge with IC.  The fact that Sage made off with the incriminating Pinsirite didn't help matters any, either.

Objectively speaking, to an IC outsider with no knowledge of the situation, it looked entirely like you shot first at some random dude who was passing by, asked questions later.  And there was little to no proof in the aftermath that at least some of those IC choices were justified.

....If I am to be judged wanting for Ven's actions against that Scimitar, then I rather it not be by anyone else but Iron. Since he's not rubbing my face in it. Or making me feel more bitter and screwed over by that ignoble incident.

As for the metagamming aspect, it still benefited you even though it backfired on me/Shiva/Sage, so I rather not be criticized doingthat.

There's more than one perspective in any situation, and Ven was/still is excellent with it comes socialization, reading people, and general politcking + other stuff due to his empathy (or 'empathy' , as Iron has retconed it) , and he....resourceful when pressed, so he could have spun things in his favor if given a chance and time. Problem was that neither would have been given to me, since Iron set a short deadline and refused to entertain any arguments I/Ven made in my/his defense, which is his prerogative....but still stings like nothing else. 

To this day I find that incident either horribly unfair, mean, or both, even if and perhaps because Iron was perfectly within his rights to blight me (and Shiva/Sage, to a lesser extent) for Ven going a bit extreme, but took that right an went the extra mile with it. I understand there must be consequence that must fit with every action, but was it necessarily to sear them straight into me and Ven?

[Dragonstrike]

Spoiler

....If I am to be judged wanting for Ven's actions against that Scimitar, then I rather it not be by anyone else but Iron. Since he's not rubbing my face in it. Or making me feel more bitter and screwed over by that ignoble incident.

As for the metagamming aspect, it still benefited you even though it backfired on me/Shiva/Sage, so I rather not be criticized doingthat.

There's more than one perspective in any situation, and Ven was/still is excellent with it comes socialization, reading people, and general politcking + other stuff due to his empathy (or 'empathy' , as Iron has retconed it) , and he....resourceful when pressed, so he could have spun things in his favor if given a chance and time. Problem was that neither would have been given to me, since Iron set a short deadline and refused to entertain any arguments I/Ven made in my/his defense, which is his prerogative....but still stings like nothing else. 

To this day I find that incident either horribly unfair, mean, or both, even if and perhaps because Iron was perfectly within his rights to blight me (and Shiva/Sage, to a lesser extent) for Ven going a bit extreme, but took that right an went the extra mile with it. I understand there must be consequence that must fit with every action, but was it necessarily to sear them straight into me and Ven?

For the most part, I'm just stating a lot of what Iron's said/implied already in previous discussions about this topic, and trying to remain as objective as possible about it.  *shrug*

And I'm being very careful with how I handle that one semi-positive result on Nathan's end.  That trainer's not going to get away with what he did if Nathan can help it.  Though the extent that Nathan can actually help without getting himself in some form of trouble is definitely limited.  It's a long, slow process, but that trainer won't be able to avoid the law forever.

That's the League for ya when they have what looks like definitive evidence against someone.  They take those black marks very seriously, and you need to make a really, really good case to avoid getting your trainer card marked if they think they're justified in issuing that sanction.  Can't have ne'er do wells wandering around with unrestricted access to super powerful pokemon at their fingertips.  Of course, the Scimitars with gauntlets don't care much about not being able to use super powerful pokemon, so...

[Lord Windos]

For the most part, I'm just stating a lot of what Iron's said/implied already in previous discussions about this topic, and trying to remain as objective as possible about it.  *shrug*

And I'm being very careful with how I handle that one semi-positive result on Nathan's end.  That trainer's not going to get away with what he did if Nathan can help it.  Though the extent that Nathan can actually help without getting himself in some form of trouble is definitely limited.  It's a long, slow process, but that trainer won't be able to avoid the law forever.

That's the League for ya when they have what looks like definitive evidence against someone.  They take those black marks very seriously, and you need to make a really, really good case to avoid getting your trainer card marked if they think they're justified in issuing that sanction.  Can't have ne'er do wells wandering around with unrestricted access to super powerful pokemon at their fingertips.  Of course, the Scimitars with gauntlets don't care much about not being able to use super powerful pokemon, so...

...Even so, I would have preferred not having those details made so blatant, and all the more painful for it. Greatly, really.

Hopefully something good comes of that plotline someday, or its just going to make that incident grate all the more. If Nathan can't help without legality issues, he could always call up Ven and have him handle the problem at that point. Pay evil unto evil, and all that, and Ven's very bad if he lets himself be.

If Ven were about to lose his Trainer's Card (1 Black Mark Away, or so) and get his Pokemon confiscated, he'd probably disappear, create new identity(ies) for himself and get Clean Trainer Cards for them, cycle out all his Pokeballs from storage and smash them one at a time in a remote and secured location, and then recapture all his beloved family members under one or more of his alias. It probably take him years to do that in Cheshire and not get caught, but for a man of his....talents and training, he'd be able to do it. 

There's also fleeing the region or just hiring a mercenary and offloading his Pokemon to them to 'handle and own' legally while he still cares/give them orders, if the above isn't feasible or time is a constraint. Nothing would also stop him from smashing his more dangerous Pokemon's balls while they are released and yet still keep them around him in a remote/hard to get location, but that's not as good as the above options in terms of freedom.