[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I need to fix some dinner to eat, and then I'll get to posting back to you, Dragonstrike. I imagine that everyone else will hear about this conversation by listening in, so I don't mind if it starts only between our characters first.

No. Excuse me my dear, but this assumption is not correct. There's no chance at all for Shiva to listen in as she's inside that diner and is busy with things in there, ordering and eating breakfast there among her Pokemon takes longer than battling or catching Pokemon. Neither me outta-chara nor she in-chara wouldn't be very happy if she'll be left out in anything you wanted to share concerning Deoxy and/or your newly-gained MoreThanHuman-Status, if we'll be you'd be giving me no chance at all to react a bit to his changes at a proper opportunity. So please, unless you'd want to deliberately leave Shiva and perhaps Spira out of shared things (since, as said, he told he'd come into that diner once being done with scavenging, whether this has changed though I cannot know), can you please meet up with everyone first?

I also expressed a hope that you others would come into that diner for the next set of Encounters (proof), but none answered me on that somewhat important thing except Mika (thank you for that, by the way). You others got distracted by other things.

Windos, that's the second time in a short amount of time you're coming pretty close to having your fun in RP-related things at the expense of others, both times at the expense of me even. By no means I think this is on purpose, but please take a bit more care to not get too carried away from now on, alright? This isn't a nice nor fair thing to do.

(...) Anyways, when Nathan rejoins Terra, he gets straight to the point.  "Well, Gallade's telling me you feel a little better for the most part, Terra.  What's bothering you, though?"  He's not necessarily going to wait for everyone else to start this conversation since he's concerned about Terra and is the unofficial medical practitioner of the group. (...)

You also have to please excuse me for saying this, but being concerned isn't much of a good reason to start things probably leading to Terra's sharing of things concerning Deoxys and co. right away and before there is the slightest chance for rejoining with everyone, especially since there aren't any serious or visible injuries or that'd need immediate acting. Just because it is known that me and Shiva are less talkactive and open with her thoughts than the others/me not being there, it wouldn't be fair to assume we don't have anything to add to valid things. Please try to keep that in mind.

I was mostly occupied with other things and barely had time to play/properly read things here, which means I developed the assumption that the lizardlike Pokemon could be a Jungore rather late but shortly before it's been obviously stated. It's definitely better that I don't remember the Fortune Hunter stating anything about a Pokemon made of gold as if I did, it might get to XP Bidding as I'd be interested in catching and then gifting it to her. All's well on that front!

[Spiritmon]

But Shadow Claw for itself doesnt have any extra effect like in the main. Its just a damage ghost move without any other effect. But Shadow Ball can actually reduce the defenses of the foe, with is WAY better than Shadow Claw. I can save some XP to teach other move for Trevenant, like Forest Curse.

Shadow Claw does have an 'effect': it's a high crit move.  That's all it does in the games, too, besides being one of the rare instances of a physical Ghost type attack.  With Shadow Ball, you have a 1/6 chance of reducing the foe's Defense by 1.  With Shadow Claw, you add 2 dice to your damage pool if you roll 4+ successes (3+ if you have Super Luck).  I think SC is arguably better so long as you don't need Shadow Ball's range for anything specific, as buffing yourself tends to be a lot more effective than debuffing the enemy (unless said debuffs are potent and/or semi-permanent).

Yeah, you right. Guess Shadow Claw it's a better move in this case. Talking about leveling up Viktor have enough XP now to learn Shadow Claw.

[Dragonstrike]

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You also have to please excuse me for saying this, but being concerned isn't much of a good reason to start things probably leading to Terra's sharing of things concerning Deoxys and co. right away and before there is the slightest chance for rejoining with everyone, especially since there aren't any serious or visible injuries or that'd need immediate acting. Just because it is known that me and Shiva are less talkactive and open with her thoughts than the others/me not being there, it wouldn't be fair to assume we don't have anything to add to valid things. Please try to keep that in mind.

I was mostly occupied with other things and barely had time to play/properly read things here, which means I developed the assumption that the lizardlike Pokemon could be a Jungore rather late but shortly before it's been obviously stated. It's definitely better that I don't remember the Fortune Hunter stating anything about a Pokemon made of gold as if I did, it might get to XP Bidding as I'd be interested in catching and then gifting it to her. All's well on that front!

Medical problems wait for noone, Phantom.  Being concerned about those is a VERY good reason to be prompt about asking about them ASAP IC, imo.  I'm not assuming Shiva has nothing to add, I'm RPing how worried Nathan is about Terra having stared down a Deoxys and coming away from that not entirely feeling like himself.  I also dont really want to hold a conversation about Legendary pokemon in the diner.  Too many ears in there.

I didn't say what the lizard was until after Nathan had caught it for a reason, after all.  I was also very glad everyone was willing to give me first dibs on the fossils before we even knew what the lizard was.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

It is true that medical problems don't ever wait, but it is just as true that Terra, who starred into these lights, isn't featuring any serious injuries or changes that'd need immediate treatment, as well as it would be wrong to assume that we others are not concerned for him: Shiva definitely is as she gave a soft-farewell when he went closer towards Deoxsy, it seems to almost completely get lost in the interactions between the others though - I wanted to try outplay a bit of that once he actually shares something about what he learned about this experience with the lights.

If there are too many ears within the diner, then I'd please like for someone, at best Terra himself, to go fetch Shiva and if desired Spira for sharing things outside as well as it all maybe happening in a flashback so that we can progress with Encounters within the diner. Simple!

[Spiritmon]

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You also have to please excuse me for saying this, but being concerned isn't much of a good reason to start things probably leading to Terra's sharing of things concerning Deoxys and co. right away and before there is the slightest chance for rejoining with everyone, especially since there aren't any serious or visible injuries or that'd need immediate acting. Just because it is known that me and Shiva are less talkactive and open with her thoughts than the others/me not being there, it wouldn't be fair to assume we don't have anything to add to valid things. Please try to keep that in mind.

I was mostly occupied with other things and barely had time to play/properly read things here, which means I developed the assumption that the lizardlike Pokemon could be a Jungore rather late but shortly before it's been obviously stated. It's definitely better that I don't remember the Fortune Hunter stating anything about a Pokemon made of gold as if I did, it might get to XP Bidding as I'd be interested in catching and then gifting it to her. All's well on that front!

Medical problems wait for noone, Phantom.  Being concerned about those is a VERY good reason to be prompt about asking about them ASAP IC, imo.  I'm not assuming Shiva has nothing to add, I'm RPing how worried Nathan is about Terra having stared down a Deoxys and coming away from that not entirely feeling like himself.  I also dont really want to hold a conversation about Legendary pokemon in the diner.  Too many ears in there.

I didn't say what the lizard was until after Nathan had caught it for a reason, after all.  I was also very glad everyone was willing to give me first dibs on the fossils before we even knew what the lizard was.

Hey now. Now you acting very rude. "Medical problems wait for none". Its not up to you to decide. But it is the GM. Phantom have reasons to delay in the posts. Everyone around here one time or other have reasons OOC to sometimes resolve things in real life and sometimes don't get enough time to post reactions about the events in the role-playing. You yourself have your own reasons to post here and Celadon City, so your not in position to judge others Dragonstrike. Heck Even delay my posts in the past.

Before say something about what is or what is not a problem to none, you should judge your own words my friend. And more importantly about say "hold a conversation".

I with Phantom this time, sorry.

[Dragonstrike]

It is true that medical problems don't ever wait, but it is just as true that Terra, who starred into these lights, isn't featuring any serious injuries or changes that'd need immediate treatment, as well as it would be wrong to assume that we others are not concerned for him: Shiva definitely is as she gave a soft-farewell when he went closer towards Deoxsy, it seems to almost completely get lost in the interactions between the others though - I wanted to try outplay a bit of that once he actually shares something about what he learned about this experience with the lights.

If there are too many ears within the diner, then I'd please like for someone, at best Terra himself,  to go fetch Shiva and if desired Spira for sharing things outside as well as it all maybe happening in a flashback so that we can progress with Encounters within the diner. Simple!

I'm not assuming nobody else is concerned either.  I'm only RPing Nathan's concern for the situation.

If Terra expresses wanting to share this with everyone, Nathan will outright send Gallade to quickly fetch the party members in the diner.  Nathan wants to keep an eye on Terra at the moment.

Hey now. Now you acting very rude. "Medical problems wait for none". Its not up to you to decide. But it is the GM. Phantom have reasons to delay in the posts. Everyone around here one time or other have reasons OOC to sometimes resolve things in real life and sometimes don't get enough time to post reactions about the events in the role-playing. You yourself have your own reasons to post here and Celadon City, so your not in position to judge others Dragonstrike. Heck Even delay my posts in the past.

Before say something about what is or what is not a problem to none, you should judge your own words my friend. And more importantly about say "hold a conversation".

I with Phantom this time, sorry.

I know it's not up to me to decide, Spirit.  I'm RPing something IC.  This isn't a problem with IC vs OOC lives, and I'm not trying to leave anyone out for expediency.

It's a given fact that illnesses don't typically wait for anything, and the nature of this is strange enough that Nathan's not sure what exactly is going on.  Unknown ailments can be much more dangerous than they first appear to be, hence why Nathan is emphasizing the importance of catching any symptoms early. Even if nothing appears to be wrong at first, something very well still could be.

I'm not trying to judge anyone for their actions. How ironic that I'm being judged for it, though...

[Dragonstrike]

@Mikaruge108, did you not want to get Noire a random doll to use to evolve later?

[Mikaruge108]

@Mikaruge108, did you not want to get Noire a random doll to use to evolve later?

Uh yeah, i'll get one, lemme quick-edit that in.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I'm not assuming nobody else is concerned either.  I'm only RPing Nathan's concern for the situation.
(...)
If Terra expresses wanting to share this with everyone, Nathan will outright send Gallade to quickly fetch the party members in the diner.  Nathan wants to keep an eye on Terra at the moment.
(...)
I know it's not up to me to decide, Spirit.  I'm RPing something IC.  This isn't a problem with IC vs OOC lives, and I'm not trying to leave anyone out for expediency.

I'm not judging you; and yes I do understand that you're rather concerned and are only outplaying what you've envisioned for your chara, that's perfectly fine and reasonable. Neither do I assume you're trying to leave anyone out for expediency, but the wording how Nathan not necessarily waits for everyonelse before asking was and is still hitting a nerve, please excuse me for that: For me it borders to the small but important rule of no godmoding or quarterbacking, or as I interpret it: 'Give others a chance to chip in properly.'

This is supposed to be a meeting Terra's initiating. We should let him set the pace and decide on things and stop finding excuses for our actions now.

[Iron]

Question about Focus Punch, @Iron: the book says the user flinches if they 'get hit before releasing the attack'.  However, what if they get hit by a damaging move, and then the damage roll does 0 damage?  Would they still Flinch?

Edit: And thinking about it, would the same thing apply to Rage since Rage's +1 boost is also based off of taking damage?  (though I think the book is a little clearer with Rage since it says 'if the pokemon receives damage'.)



For reference, I also think the recent discussion about how Flinching after running out of actions in the Round is a very good thing to have gotten out of the way, because it wouldn't have made sense if a Focus Puncher could have ignored that Flinch because their last action of the Round was charging Focus Punch.  (Different topic, but this whole 2 action Focus Punch method reminds me of how the move works in the Mystery Dungeon games, tbh.  Except the MD games removed the 'flinch' downside of Focus Punch because it's near impossible to avoid getting attacked if you're right next to your target.  Ironically, it made the move go from 'incredibly bad' to 'incredibly overpowered', and there's really no in-between for it)

I think I'll read that one strictly, so a 0 dmg roll will still cause a Focus Puncher to Flinch. (an exception is Protect, which negates moves when it reduces them to 0 dice).