[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Lord Windos]

Synthetic/Lab Meat has actually been confirmed to exist earlier, as Heart purchased some awhile back to make sandwiches for pinics/other food stuffs. Not going to provide a post since it happened all the way back in Stair City before our first trip to Cress, but it does exist!

On the subject of eating meat, Terra neutral on the issue. He doesn't like killing Wild Pokemon unless there's a good reason for it, as he feels that is a waste of its life and intrisic value, but if he's low on food or hunting for his carnivorous Pokemon he'll slay and butcher them. He's mostly vegitarian, but he'll eat fish and fish Pokemon except for Magikarp and Feebas (The later because he owns Lapis, and the former because it reminds him of the later).

[Spiritmon]

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It's canon in Iron's world that humans do eat pokemkon meat (Sinnohese lore from the Canalave Library also states this was the case long ago, before pokeballs were invented).  However, most Creshireans eat synthetic stuff instead of the real deal (and feed their meat eating pokemon the same if they get meat instead of pokefood of some variety) due to the region's near universal respect for pokemon as individuals and companions.

Of course, there are exceptions to that respect...namely Almanac and the Scimitars...and the occassional traveler from different regions...

Spoiler

You know, there is something who was bothering me for quite awhile: What is the humans in the Pokemon world eat? Its a dumb question but the fundamentals: Humans eat both meat and vegetables. So where they eat the meat? From the Pokemon. 

If you think about it, it's a very dark thought since pokemon is in general sentient beings, even more smart then humans. So, the thought of people...eat their Pokemon friends is very much dark. 

A salad of Cottonee leafs? Pignite burn with cheese? Sushi of Milotic? Legs of Mudkip? That might be a huge protest or people who don't eat meat in any way. Maybe even great portion of the people are vegetarian?

Or maybe the industry in the pokemon world evolve so much they made a artificial meat who can substitute real meat, because Pokemon is more or less like the animals in our world like dogs, cats and hamsters. But animals with super powers like control fire or shoot electric energy from their tails.

And if they not that answer, than maybe there is real life animals there like real cows or Chicken since I remember see some real world animals in the most oldest episodes of the anime who show normal fish and real birds. But if there is those real life animals, where are they? Is their extinct by the population of Pokemon and predatory hunt of humanity? Or they created in cativary to serve as a substitute food?

In summary: The Pokemon world have a hide dark story. Or a story who do not make sense. If anyone could have a better explanation, I would like to hear it.

*looks up from her bowl of salad made from Cottonee and Petilil leaves* Excuse me, whattha ya said...? *nomnomnom*

Fruit, veggies, all sort of grain and co. can be grown and harvested all normally like in our world, Mistralton City in Unova for example is said to grow vegetabes and export them by cargo plane. Miltank and related Pokemon give milk for dairy products, Combee and some other Pokemon produce or gather consumable honey.

The dilemma of meat and people butchering their Pokemon Friends for food can be conveyed to the real world where things aren't much different: Humans eat meat and kill animals for that while at the same time animals can be the closest and best friends of people (think of a loyal dog for example or a cat that comforts you on a bad day by purring while stroking her) It's pretty controversial and a personal decision whether to engage in this or not or partly, but maybe in the Pokemon World there are similar things like farms or places who breed and keep cattle, chickens and so on for the purpose of them becoming food for the people in the end, instead of cattle it's Miltank and Tauros and instead of chicken Farfetch'd for example. They're said to taste well even in canon!~

Soy products like tofu are maybe a bigger thing in the Pokemon World than in ours, given I don't think they've got animals like we have, Pokemon inhabit the world and dominate their ecosystem.

Currently scientists are developing and researching the growth of lab-grown-meat, which is - as the name might imply - produced synthetically without animals having to die for it: Particular cells are taken from an animal from which eventually grows to, well, meat in a lab. It's an expensive process still but promising in the longshot. I'd believe such a thing to be possible or even done in the Pokemon World too.

Given how advanced some of the tech in the pokemon universes are, I have no doubt synthetic meat is a thing.

Synthetic/Lab Meat has actually been confirmed to exist earlier, as Heart purchased some awhile back to make sandwiches for pinics/other food stuffs. Not going to provide a post since it happened all the way back in Stair City before our first trip to Cress, but it does exist!

On the subject of eating meat, Terra neutral on the issue. He doesn't like killing Wild Pokemon unless there's a good reason for it, as he feels that is a waste of its life and intrisic value, but if he's low on food or hunting for his carnivorous Pokemon he'll slay and butcher them. He's mostly vegitarian, but he'll eat fish and fish Pokemon except for Magikarp and Feebas (The later because he owns Lapis, and the former because it reminds him of the later).

Well, when you guys put that way, it would not be strange in the pokemon world have such things. I now remember Heart buying some lab meat back in Stair City. 

Also, any of you guys think we gonna have to save that gentleman from the Scimitars? If we destroy the Scimitars in the past, the ones in our time will never exist.

[Dragonstrike]

Also, any of you guys think we gonna have to save that gentleman from the Scimitars? If we destroy the Scimitars in the past, the ones in our time will never exist.

If we do that, we create a paradox.  What's happened has happened, and there's nothing we can do to change that even if it involved us in the past.

Fact of the matter is that the Scimitars and Almabac exist in 2017, so there's nothing we can do to erase their organizations from existence in the past.

[Spiritmon]

Also, any of you guys think we gonna have to save that gentleman from the Scimitars? If we destroy the Scimitars in the past, the ones in our time will never exist.

If we do that, we create a paradox.  What's happened has happened, and there's nothing we can do to change that even if it involved us in the past.

Fact of the matter is that the Scimitars and Almabac exist in 2017, so there's nothing we can do to erase their organizations from existence in the past.

True. You right. I just hope the gentleman is still alive.

[Dragonstrike]

Also, any of you guys think we gonna have to save that gentleman from the Scimitars? If we destroy the Scimitars in the past, the ones in our time will never exist.

If we do that, we create a paradox.  What's happened has happened, and there's nothing we can do to change that even if it involved us in the past.

Fact of the matter is that the Scimitars and Almabac exist in 2017, so there's nothing we can do to erase their organizations from existence in the past.

True. You right. I just hope the gentleman is still alive.

If he's who I think he might be, then he's probably fine.

[Dragonstrike]

Semi-random topic of the day: So, I picked up my preorder of Let's Go Eevee today, and I decided to look up exactly what the new moves exclusive to the two starter pokemon of these games do exactly (courtesy of Serebii listing them all out)...

Spoiler

Partner Pikachu's:

Floaty Fall: 90 power, 95 accuracy, Physical Flying type attack with a chance to Flinch the target
Pika Papow: a Special Electric type Return that never misses
Splishy Splash: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Water type attack that has a chance to Paralyze the target
Zippy Zap: 50 power, 100 accuracy, priority, Physical Electric type attack that always crits



Partner Eevee's:

Veevee Volley: like Return in every way except it never misses
Bouncy Bubble: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Water type attack that restores HP equal to half the damage dealt
Buzzy Buzz: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Electric type attack that always Paralyzes the target
Sizzly Slide: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Physical Fire type attack that always Burns the target
Glitzy Glow: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Psychic type attack that sets up a Light Screen
Baddy Bad: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Dark type attack that sets up a Reflect
Sappy Seed: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Physical Grass type attack that afflicts the target with a Leech Seed status
Freezy Frost: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Ice type attack that resets all stat changes on the field (ala Haze)
Sparkly Swirl: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Fairy type attack that heals all status conditions in the user's party (ala Aromatherapy)



Needless to say, I think Partner Eevee got the better end of the signature moves...

EDIT: Important note about the Return clones: they're one-off attacks that aren't a part of the partner pokemon's standard four moves. I don't think they're usable outside of the single player of LGPE.

[Lord Windos]

Semi-random topic of the day: So, I picked up my preorder of Let's Go Eevee today, and I decided to look up exactly what the new moves exclusive to the two starter pokemon of these games do exactly (courtesy of Serebii listing them all out)...

Spoiler

Partner Pikachu's:

Floaty Fall: 90 power, 95 accuracy, Physical Flying type attack with a chance to Flinch the target
Pika Papow: a Special Electric type Return that never misses
Splishy Splash: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Water type attack that has a chance to Paralyze the target
Zippy Zap: 50 power, 100 accuracy, priority, Physical Electric type attack that always crits



Partner Eevee's:

Veevee Volley: like Return in every way except it never misses
Bouncy Bubble: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Water type attack that restores HP equal to half the damage dealt
Buzzy Buzz: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Electric type attack that always Paralyzes the target
Sizzly Slide: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Fire type attack that always Burns the target
Glitzy Glow: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Psychic type attack that sets up a Light Screen
Baddy Bad: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Dark type attack that sets up a Reflect
Sappy Seed: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Grass type attack that afflicts the target with a Leech Seed status
Freezy Frost: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Ice type attack that resets all stat changes on the field (ala Haze)
Sparkly Swirl: 90 power, 100 accuracy, Special Fairy type attack that heals all status conditions in the user's party (ala Aromatherapy)



Needless to say, I think Partner Eevee got the better end of the signature moves...

Huh, how about that. My thoughts on Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee has already been expressed (I'm not interest in them), but I still find it rather intriguing they decided to shaft their series mascot in this case over the adorably genetically unstable furball. Considering how much exclusive stuff Pikachu already has gotten over the years, though, I don't think its too bad they didn't get anything particularly neat Movewise (Besides its Water Type Move). Plus, move TLC on Eevee is not a bad thing to me!

[Dragonstrike]

Huh, how about that. My thoughts on Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee has already been expressed (I'm not interest in them), but I still find it rather intriguing they decided to shaft their series mascot in this case over the adorably genetically unstable furball. Considering how much exclusive stuff Pikachu already has gotten over the years, though, I don't think its too bad they didn't get anything particularly neat Movewise (Besides its Water Type Move). Plus, move TLC on Eevee is not a bad thing to me!

It feels to me like Partner Pikachu's moveset was supposed to be both more offensively geared and a shoutout to Surf, Fly, and E-Speed Pikachu events.

Partner Eevee's...I think they were trying to make it a support pokemon?  Except they also made it almost unparalleled in terms of raw type coverage because of how many different types of moves it can use (only Mew's moveset is comparable/better coverage wise in LGPE).

In any case, though, the game was designed to be casual over competitive, so I'm not going to overthink this too much for now and try to just enjoy the game.  (even though there definitely are elements present in the game for those who wish to be the very best in the rather weird no hold items, no abilities, pick your mega Charizard/Mewtwo on the fly, around 500 moves missing entirely meta)

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

...The names of these exclusive moves hurt my eyes and ears. They sound so childish and ridiculous to me, I'm very sorry GameFreak, but why?! No, I dislike and boycott these two games and am pretty much through with playing any new Official Games. :C I'll stick with good ROMHacks and FanGames for now, especially now that I've started to help with concept art in two projects.

[Dragonstrike]

Honestly, I can't say the game isn't aimed at a younger audience, because that's exactly who the target audience is.  The game has a heavy emphasis that it's an adventure with your starter pokemon, whose entire gimmick is being a cutesy yet surprisingly strong member of their species.  The game even says on the back of the box that it's a great starting point for newer players.


That being said, however, I find LGPE to be very relaxing to play because they're intended to be casual.  I went into it with casual expectations and got exactly what I was expecting...then found out there are definitely still some more hardcore mechanics for the more dedicated players.

Is it a game for everyone?  Yes and no.  Yes because most anyone who wants to play it doesn't have to worry about getting lost in a sea of complex mechanics unless they seek those out themselves, no because it's not gone in a direction similar to the rest of the series.

I'm not going to say this game is a must have.  I am going to say it's still good despite its flaws and differences, though.  It's my opinion, take it with a grain of salt, but that's where I stand with it.  I'm hopeful that Gen 8 turns out all the better because of what was learned from making LGPE.