[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Dragonstrike]

Phantom made a REALLY good point about Perish Song.  If it's used, any combatants that don't have a pokeball to be recalled into might end up fainting without any way to avoid it besides ending the battle through other means.

Marco's pokemon are the primary example for obvious reasons, but Angie (as long as Terra doesn't reregister her) and (maybe) the Scimitars would be affected as well.

That's a biiiiig risk to take.  I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

[Mikaruge108]

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.....Anyway, what shall we do, mates? Proceed with Bluff Da BBB, try Perish Song/Mental Sleep HAX, some combination thereof, or just punch the dang thing hard enough that it finally flees from our sheer insane dedication to slugging it out with it?

(...) Perish Song it's pretty risk, but it is our best gamble to Finish off all foes. I not gonna sacrifice Terra or anyone else.
What's is the answer everyone? I go with Perish Song strategy and Illusion thing.

Basically, I'm up for anything that will earn us Cofagrigus' approval and the first ancient Artifact, I just hardly see any other way than fighting that Genesect.

I'm strictly against using Perish Song unless heavily needed, for the simply reason that it will KO a massive amount of our own Pokemon, including all of Marco's Pokemon. No, just.... no. Please don't.

One thing I am wondering about though, what is the use/idea behind the Imposter-Illusionary-Idea, @Lord Windos? I don't quite get that, apart from how it shall be pulled off. I'm very fine with that part, indeed, but how will such an action progress things - or to word it differently, what shall happen once it succeeds? (Sneak past the Genesect, grab the Artifact and make haste the further way? That sounds like betrayal towards Cofagrigus, and if Genesect ends up pursuing us it will come to a fight anyway).

We don't even know Perish Song would work like we want in the first place, so I don't mind seeing it shelved for the time being. However, it's also best to be used as early as possible, as they more Pokemon the group has out and ready to field, the more bodies we have to stall out the PS Turns. Dragonstrike, Spirit, Mika, what do you think?

Essentialy, I DO want to resolve DMG without Fighting them with Operation Bluff Da BBB, or ideally screw with it SO much that it becomes easier to take down. Unlike you/Shiva, Terra made NO agreement with Cofagrigus and has always put the saftey of the group first and foremost, so if he can find a way to bypass DMG without much fighting, by golly gee he'll take it!

IC: Spira just wants to fight the bug, he doesn't really care how it gets defeated, as long as it was a fair fight. (as close to a fair fight you can have with a potentially PD'd pokemon that is.)
OOC: Perish Song sounds like a rather risky endeavor to me, and in this scenario, I would not consider it.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Oof, thank you for agreeing that Perish Song is too much of a risk in this scenario. I'd rather save all the Revives we'd have to bring up for Marco's Pokemon and potentially the Scimitars.

Can't we actually just combine the two fronts, and mess with this Modified Genesect with the Imposter-Illusionary-Idea before moving on to fight it? That way all of us get their will in some way and as a neat side-effect that Genesect will start the fight confused and at best (at least a bit) intimidated. I volunteer on taking the confuse-part with Raphael's Sweet Kiss.

[Dragonstrike]

I volunteer on taking the confuse-part with Raphael's Sweet Kiss.

Be careful with Raphael too if you use him.  If Genesect is Bug/Steel or Bug/Rock, then its secondary STABs are still SE against him.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I know, but that's a risk I'm down to take. Hummmmmmmm... But I'll use Raphael and Yena for this fight instead of Raphael and Azu, will edit in-game properly.

[Lord Windos]

I disagree that Oinario/Ditto should engage first, as the Intimidation / Bluffing won't work as well WITHOUT DMG being weakened and/or Confused. That's the whole point of screwing with it's mind in the first place imo, as if we just throw our tricks straight out and then ATTACK, straight away, they'll likely to fail, Oinari dead, and Terra/Nathan being focused down.

I'll grudgingly concede that avoiding the use of Perish Song is perhaps for the best for now, but I'll reiterate: If we are going to use it eventually, it needs to be before the collective takes too many attritition losses for the tactic to be effective in anyway (Be it Stall out for the Faint, or majorly debuffing) . Right now, we need to find some trick to majorly screw over DMG and turn the fight more in our favor when it begins, and all we really have to that effect is:

- Mental Effects/Trickery
- FIRE
- Target the Limbs/Drones!

I rather work my way down the list that anything else and fight in the most disreputably way possible in order to get as clean and least costly of a win as possible. Fair fights against Legends don't end well, so let's not do that.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

So that means I shall take the first step in this scenario and have Raphael confuse Genesect with a Single-Action Sweet Kiss, then you'll send out Ditto and Zorua to pull off the Imposter-Illusionary-Idea and depending how that succeeds, the real battle starts via everyone sending out their respective Pokemon to target the limbs/drones and attack with Fire Type'd moves? That sounds like something I can get behind and agree with, yes!~

EDIT: I'd guess Raphael would be brave enough to do that under Shiva's command, would he @Iron? Oh right, and what's also important for me to know (which you haven't come back yet), but IS there any sort of forcefield protecting Genesect from harm hat she would notice?

[Lord Windos]

It would be for the best if Raphael commited to at least more than one Action (Unless you plan to recall them immediately after they inflict Confusion), especially if DMG is Bug/Psychic instead of Bug/Steel or Bug/Rock. SE Air Slash will do at least a little Plot Damage to its limbs, in that case!

Iron, got something else I like to bring up with Terra, before I'm ready to begin: Does he feel a connection/familiarity to DMG via his Steel Affinity? You said he has a tendency to attract them, and its been shown he has a certain sympathy towards the Type on a whole.

[Iron]

So that means I shall take the first step in this scenario and have Raphael confuse Genesect with a Single-Action Sweet Kiss, then you'll send out Ditto and Zorua to pull off the Imposter-Illusionary-Idea and depending how that succeeds, the real battle starts via everyone sending out their respective Pokemon to target the limbs/drones and attack with Fire Type'd moves? That sounds like something I can get behind and agree with, yes!~

EDIT: I'd guess Raphael would be brave enough to do that under Shiva's command, would he @Iron? Oh right, and what's also important for me to know (which you haven't come back yet), but IS there any sort of forcefield protecting Genesect from harm hat she would notice?

I was referring to the forcefield in my previous post about earthpower - that's all you sense. I guess I'll add that there's no Barrier, Reflect, or Light Screen.

Yeah Raphael is very brave.

[Iron]

It would be for the best if Raphael commited to at least more than one Action (Unless you plan to recall them immediately after they inflict Confusion), especially if DMG is Bug/Psychic instead of Bug/Steel or Bug/Rock. SE Air Slash will do at least a little Plot Damage to its limbs, in that case!

Iron, got something else I like to bring up with Terra, before I'm ready to begin: Does he feel a connection/familiarity to DMG via his Steel Affinity? You said he has a tendency to attract them, and its been shown he has a certain sympathy towards the Type on a whole.

I'll roll Insight + Empathy.

*rolls*

You do not feel any Steel typing; in fact, you're pretty confident about that.