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[Meta Thread] Lord Windos' PokeRole Adventure 2: The Wild Lands
(05-29-2025, 11:31 AM)Spiritmon Wrote: (...)Don't know how to bring up the thing of her be a Scimitar though. Without revealing her backstory though, based in what you send me in the message, since, well, even if Oz still a Scimitar by culture, in more technical terms she is more akin to a heretic based in what Windos said. She telling her secret to Seddi was a little more easier since he is not bound by any Scimitar code, but Mr Samsara? She fear what Bernard would do her and her sisters, specially with the knowledge they both belong to the same group. No wonder Fortuna was so adamant in not give him any of her wings or...trust Mr Samsara at all.(...)

...If you want my honest advice in this case, please DON'T EVER bring your backstory/status as ex-Scimitar up to Bernhard. Like, NEVER. If there is one thing he despises and has no mercy for, then it is heretics (which Oz would be in his view, I'm so sorry to say this so blatantly). Even MORE so since he is part of The Scimitar Council, and said Council has its very own fraction that deals with anyone deemed 'heretical'. I'm so sorry for having to say this, but it's definitely better for Oz's safety to keep quiet towards him.
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That's okay, don't worry. Oz will not bring up the topic of her story to Bernard. As much Bernard was kind to Oz, she still extremely wary with him. And due to his status, she will not even be crazy to tell him the truth. So far, the only people who know the truth is Seddi, his Pokémon, and Oz sisters. She will probably keep her secret extremely hidden away to avoid more people go after her.
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(05-29-2025, 11:52 AM)PhantomUnderYourDesk Wrote:
(05-29-2025, 11:31 AM)Spiritmon Wrote: (...)Don't know how to bring up the thing of her be a Scimitar though. Without revealing her backstory though, based in what you send me in the message, since, well, even if Oz still a Scimitar by culture, in more technical terms she is more akin to a heretic based in what Windos said. She telling her secret to Seddi was a little more easier since he is not bound by any Scimitar code, but Mr Samsara? She fear what Bernard would do her and her sisters, specially with the knowledge they both belong to the same group. No wonder Fortuna was so adamant in not give him any of her wings or...trust Mr Samsara at all.(...)

...If you want my honest advice in this case, please DON'T EVER bring your backstory/status as ex-Scimitar up to Bernhard. Like, NEVER. If there is one thing he despises and has no mercy for, then it is heretics (which Oz would be in his view, I'm so sorry to say this so blatantly). Even MORE so since he is part of The Scimitar Council, and said Council has its very own fraction that deals with anyone deemed 'heretical'. I'm so sorry for having to say this, but it's definitely better for Oz's safety to keep quiet towards him.

Technically Oz would first be considered an Apostate by Scimitar society, since she more or less voluntarily left it and renounced her own Status/Citizenship as a Scimitar by changing her ID after faking her death. Apostates are looked down upon generally by Scims for obvious reasons (giving up The Life and idealolgy never goes well), but they're not overly pressured by most. Just banished or otherwise shunned if they get permission to keep holdings/their citizenship.

To be a Heretic you got to be formally declared by one OR break a law or taboo so great that only recourse is Heresy. Such a 'status' is usually followed by Exile at best , Death at moderate, and who knows what if a Heretic deserves a more creative Fate...

Bernhard CAN judge a Scimitar for their crimes and dish out appropriate judgement, though usually that also entails saving the 'trail' via video/Spell by a third party and sending it for review later to make sure you're on the up and up. That or have a 3rd Party Scim serve as overseeing and witness for later questioning, if necessary.

Bernhard CAN'T, however, judge and punish former Scimitars , plain and/or non-afffliated Magi by Scimitar Law , and non-Mageocracy Citzens for Herecy. He can via regular law, as is the right of any Trainer if they are acting in a judicial fashion, and the Settlers give a lot of leeway for Scims to 'do what they think is best' law wise, but if you're not part of The Scims or their nation then you can't be tried or punished as a Heretic.

Oz' case is....unique, since her abandoning an overt mission and running away from the responsibilities thereof is grounds for severe reprimands by Scimitar law. The fact she picked up her own brand of Witchcraft and becoming SUPER Radical wouldn't help matters either, and probably be the tipping point for Herecy to be called for. However, she formally abandoned her ID and Life as a Scimitar, and the details of said mission are....contenous for reasons unexplored as of yet. That, and the brand of Necromancy and Spiritualism she unwittingly performed/performs might be of enough Interest to spare her Heresy accusations if she consented to sharing her 'research' and secrets - Scimitars are nothing else but pragmatic and very willing to compromise if it gets them juicy Magic or what they are 'entitled' too.

So by my count Bern would probably have reason to be somewhat hostile to Oz and want to see them tried in SOME manner for what they did, they couldn't do anything too extreme without kicking the matter higher up the chain (Mageocracy and Settler) to determine if they can be tried for Heresy or if they are truly an Apostate and therefore tried in another, less punitively Scimitar fashion.

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I'd note this down, dear, since it's a fairly good point about what Legal Rights a Scimitar has and what you can do to execute Scimitar Law or declare Herecy on others. Also, sorry about not posting yet, but today and yesterday were distracting  due to having to housesit a bunch of dogs. Oh what a joy...
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Oh, very good points you gave, my dear!~ *blows you a kiss* Into my written notes it all goes.

Housitting doggos sounds...equally fun and stressful.
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(05-29-2025, 12:40 PM)PhantomUnderYourDesk Wrote: Oh, very good points you gave, my dear!~ *blows you a kiss* Into my written notes it all goes.

Housitting doggos sounds...equally fun and stressful.

Try 7 of the buggers, 3 of which are old and have several specific dietary and medical requirements, and having to also look after a picky eater of a nephew AND having to fit all that in with a 1 hour trip to get to work and back. The things I do for family...
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I am also housesitting currently! 3 dogs, 1 cat, 2 adult sheep, 4 baby sheep, a bunch of ducks, 60,000 bees, and a veggie patch! (it's a farm)

All of which is probably less stressful than the 3 elderly dogs haha.
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So, as long she keeps her real identity as a secret, she good. Nice to know.

That's a very rich quantity of information. Be looked down by other Scims could...extremely bad, but, as long Oz keep her identity as a secret, she is pretty much safe.

I very fearful about Oz sisters and what would happen to them. Considering how most Scimitars didn't see their Pokemon as partners, what I think it would happen, is their Pokemon be used as experiment or use as spell sources. Oz is one of the rare cases where she put her Pokemon with highest regard and love.

When you said her own brand of "Witchcraft" and she become Radical what you mean by that? The witchcraft I suppose it's her Coven of Witch Sisters, but what you mean by Radical?

This begs the question: What would happen if she actually return to her family and Sky Scimitars? She would be brand as a Heretic, or something else?

The more I learn about Scimitar law, the more I can understand why Oz decided to leave such life behind. Be a exiled Healer Witch offer so much more freedom. And be a exiled Scimitar offer her the opportunity of she accomplish her dream: Be a medic and help as many she can, something I don't think her old life would ever let her be.

Damn. Don't need to apologize mate. Hope things get better.
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Speaking of Witch (heh, "Witch") we never decided Oz Coven name. Coven normally have some kind of names. Need to work on it later.
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(05-29-2025, 01:23 PM)Iron Wrote: I am also housesitting currently! 3 dogs, 1 cat, 2 adult sheep, 4 baby sheep, a bunch of ducks, 60,000 bees, and a veggie patch! (it's a farm)

All of which is probably less stressful than the 3 elderly dogs haha.

My sympathy goes out to you all the same - though it also sounds like you're doing fine yourself so perhaps its unnecessary, heh.
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(05-29-2025, 01:34 PM)Spiritmon Wrote: So, as long she keeps her real identity as a secret, she good. Nice to know.

That's a very rich quantity of information. Be looked down by other Scims could...extremely bad, but, as long Oz keep her identity as a secret, she is pretty much safe.

I very fearful about Oz sisters and what would happen to them. Considering how most Scimitars didn't see their Pokemon as partners, what I think it would happen, is their Pokemon be used as experiment or use as spell sources. Oz is one of the rare cases where she put her Pokemon with highest regard and love.

When you said her own brand of "Witchcraft" and she become Radical what you mean by that? The witchcraft I suppose it's her Coven of Witch Sisters, but what you mean by Radical?

This begs the question: What would happen if she actually return to her family and Sky Scimitars? She would be brand as a Heretic, or something else?

The more I learn about Scimitar law, the more I can understand why Oz decided to leave such life behind. Be a exiled Healer Witch offer so much more freedom. And be a exiled Scimitar offer her the opportunity of she accomplish her dream: Be a medic and help as many she can, something I don't think her old life would ever let her be.

Damn. Don't need to apologize mate. Hope things get better.

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Indeed. You Pokemon likely would be confiscated if you were tried and jailed as a Heretic, except maybe Glinda if you are willing to divulge how literally crucial she is to your life. From there...who knows.

Most Scimitars these days do hold some degree of partnership with their Mons, even if only in a perfunctory, business-like fashion where the Scim takes care of the needs of their Mons in exchange for their Power and cooperation. The more you treat Pokemon like most Traditional Trainers do or favor them Highly, the more 'Radical' you are to Scimitar society as a whole.

Three factions exist in Scimitar Society, outside of the Air/Water/Earth/Non-Aligned , and those are Traditionalistic (Think Skull Ruins Cosh), Moderates (Bernhard, who does care for his Mons but doesn't put to much emphasis on that and will prioritize his own affairs over them in most cases), and Radicals (You, who is pretty much a Mage + Pokemon Trainer, or those that are more MAD  MAGICKY about involving Mons directly in Magical Research and their work).

There is a practical reason to keeping Mons Balled, Out of the Way, and Impersonal to Scimitars, since the more direct impact a Mon has on Human Magic/Spells/Etc the more....variable and wild it can get. That, and if you don't use the Guantlet then the human is taking the brunt of things Magic-wise, the effects of which vary based on what you're casting and how much Special Power you're wielding to WHAT effect...

Oz was probably forced to be a Tradionalist prior to The Event based on your Backstory and other STUFF, and afterwards that was the tipping point she went Full Radical, unofficially abandoned Scimitar Society by taking a new Life, and remade herself as a 'proper' Witch and Healer leading a Coven.
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