[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[Iron]

Huh.  Rock/Flying Onix with Weak Armor for its ability.  Steel/Flying after it evolves, probably...

Such a rare offensive/defensive beast is sooo incredibly valuable, I don't think any normal person would ever want to part with it...

That's just my opinion though, I guess.

On a different topic, though...

Which of Nathan's pokemon can learn Icy Wind from that TM, @Iron?  If we were just going off of the list on Bulbapedia, the options would be...Starmie (Tutor and Gen 2 TM), Solomon (Tutor and Gen 2 TM), Forthright (Tutor), Ralts (Tutor), Calam, and Porygon-Z (Tutor, but Gallade can't learn it via the same method despite its preevos being able to, weirdly).  [And of these, only Solomon definitely can without further input from the GM because Slowpoke already has Icy Wind listed as a ? move]  Definitely want to hear what your thoughts on who can learn it are, though.

Starmie and Slowpoke.

[Lord Windos]

She'll see use at some point, there just hasn't been a good opportunity for it yet.  Better than there being no possibility of GTH Beedrill doing its thing though, considering the circumstances basically made that entire load of work designing them really low payout if I hadn't obtained her.

Now THAT sounds like quite an interesting proposition if I have a say in things.  Ventus finally gets the Scizor he wanted originally (and I'm sure Scyther doesn't give a dang about being traded right now), and Heart finally gets a super special pokemon (and considering the circumstances, Delta Onix probably also won't give a dang about being traded either)...one which can also still evolve into a Steel type...and is also still part flying.

The only potential issue is that in the short term, the deal is probably weighted in a little Ventus's favor since Scizor have only 2 Disobedience and normal Onix have...4.

Alrightly! Can't wait to see her sneak up on some good/bad guys and take them out, hehehe!

Yeap! We both get Pokémon we want/will definitely use, without banishing Delta Onix/Steelix to the void! As for the Loyalty/price discrepancy, considering that Delta Steelix is most likely worth far more than a regular Scizor and Ventus/I am willing to buy a Metal Coat myself to evolve Delta Onix, I believe that Ventus have an easier time with his trademon is more than fair.

[Iron]

Almost everyone in the party has reason to know this:

Delta Pokemon are often harder to breed than their normal-typed counterparts. There are ways to get around this, though, including special Destiny Knots. Having two Deltas also helps. High disobedience makes breeding harder.

[Dragonstrike]

Starmie and Slowpoke.

Hmmm...is that based off of the TM list for the gen 2 TM?  If so, silly me, I forgot to include the Porygon line in that, since Porygon and Porygon2 are Gen 1-2 pokemon as well.

Or is this because Starmie and Slowking are the Water types most able to physically generate the required cold temperatures for the move?

[Dragonstrike]

Almost everyone in the party has reason to know this:

Delta Pokemon are often harder to breed than their normal-typed counterparts. There are ways to get around this, though, including special Destiny Knots. Having two Deltas also helps. High disobedience makes breeding harder.

Would a Ditto help circumvent that by itself, seeing as it can Transform?  Or would it have to be like a Delta Ditto from Insurgence to do that without another method?

[Spiritmon]

Spoiler

I definitely would like to see some Delta Onix action.  As I've already said (in the Celadon campaign, but eh), I'm a sucker for using this stuff that all this hard work has been put into...within reason IC, of course.  I can only imagine the frustration of going to all that trouble to make something unique and super special...only for it to just be tossed aside or not meet expectations or whatever.  It's always nice when the work turns out to be worth it.

I can actually think of ONE way to lessen some of the breeding complications Ditto might have...but at certain times, it probably wouldn't help at all because it'd be overwritten entirely by the effect it's trying to nullify...

If you're going to give it to Dagny and arrange some kind of deal where she breeds another one for Ventus...well, I can imagine that'd be a...weird deal.  We'd also lose the benefit of having a Delta Onix that knows moves other than its starting ones (though it's also worth noting that Steelix has the elemental fangs in its repertoire...and that Onix's HA is Weak Armor, while Steelix's is Sheer Force.  Not necessarily going to stay the same with Delta Onix, but it is worth noting)

Indeed! Of course, considering that Beedrill hasn't see the light of day since you balled her Thursday night, she's not doing to much right now! I personally like the thought of having a Bulky Steel/Flying type on Ven's team, but as I said Apsis fulfills the role as Anti Fairy Bulky Snake, and me/Ven are not too eager to switch her out for any reason to make room for it occasionaly, so the Oddnix will likely go to either Heart, Valder, or both (If it can produce Eggs). Better for them to get use out of it than me selling it off, but I STILL want to get something out of it , even if its trading it away for something on Heart's team if breeding not possible/too slow.

....Now that I think about it, @Spiritmon, I'm willing to trade Delta Onix to you if you trade me Scyther with a Steel Coat on it. In fact, I'll even pay for a Steel Coat so that we both get a Scizors and Delta Steelix respectively. That way we both get Pokémon we really want, it can still stay in the game and Heart can have an Super Rare Pokémon that he can breed later (if he wants). What do you say mate?

Now thats a interesting offer. You will have to work a bit that Scyther since he is a bit disobedient. But I accept your offer my friend! A Delta Onix with Rock/Flying type its a great additional to the team and give Heart a greately rare pokemon! And Ventus will finally have his Scizor under his command. We have a deal my friend!

[Lord Windos]

Almost everyone in the party has reason to know this:

Delta Pokemon are often harder to breed than their normal-typed counterparts. There are ways to get around this, though, including special Destiny Knots. Having two Deltas also helps. High disobedience makes breeding harder.

Yeap, thought so, but at least its possible to breed them in the first place! Of course, only Nathan and Shiva would know how to properly/speedily breed Pokemon given their background, so if I/Heart give serious though to doing this we'll need to consult with them. Sounds like a nice team building exercise (Assuming that Shiva doesn't freak at the idea, that is) !

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

I also recall a statement saying she prefers if they stay in their home regions. 

Yes, which is Torren, or if their in possession of a capable person like Dagny .If she herself would stumble over a Delta in Chreshire, she'd catch it for containment reasons and hand it off to Professor Mallorn still or a person that otherwise seems to know how to deal with these Delta that Shiva in-chara simply dislikes and prefers to not lurk around wildly.

Ven doesn't share her phobia towards breeding them, so he'd be probably be unhappy about it but still breed it if that will be his choice. Sorry love, but when you have something this unqiue on your hands and are able to reproduce it (literally, in this case), then you sieze the opportunity

It's not a phobia, a phobia is a mental disorder that shouldn't be glossed over. It's more so that Shiva feels that it's...simply wrong to breed Deltamon unless it's 100% safe, 100% contained, and 100% for research reasons. She's prefering clean Pokemon Breeding as teached to her, there's no room for Deltas as they're not 'natural' in her view, they somewhat collide with her belief.

Of course she herself would be unhappy about that desison, she'd dislike it and wouldn't want to carry any of the Eggs for Ven nor would she accept any money gotten from this course of actions - it'd probably be their first marital quarrel. But she's in no position to influence Ven's desision if he'd stay adamant about it so she'll eventually just let it be. Ventus would need to show her that he still cares for her/loves her though despite this and sticks with her despite the strong disagreement, simply make sure that this doesn't harm the bond they have forged. If it does... oh boy, I rather not think this to an end.

....Now that I think about it, Spiritmon, I'm willing to trade Delta Onix to you if you trade me Scyther with a Steel Coat on it. In fact, I'll even pay for a Steel Coat so that we both get a Scizors and Delta Steelix respectively. That way we both get Pokémon we really want, it can still stay in the game and Heart can have an Super Rare Pokémon that he can breed later (if he wants). What do you say mate?

This...would solve all my worries and prevent conflict and Shiva freaking out...

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Now thats a interesting offer. You will have to work a bit that Scyther since he is a bit disobedient. But I accept your offer my friend! A Delta Onix with Rock/Flying type its a great additional to the team and give Heart a greately rare pokemon! And Ventus will finally have his Scizor under his command. We have a deal my friend!

Thank you for agreeing to this... Really. Saves so much for my chara.
Shiva does only know that much of Delta Breeding as Iron said above, but she has vast knowledge of general Breeding Mechanics aside from HP Breeding because her father hasn't thaught her that yet.

[Iron]

Almost everyone in the party has reason to know this:

Delta Pokemon are often harder to breed than their normal-typed counterparts. There are ways to get around this, though, including special Destiny Knots. Having two Deltas also helps. High disobedience makes breeding harder.

Would a Ditto help circumvent that by itself, seeing as it can Transform?  Or would it have to be like a Delta Ditto from Insurgence to do that without another method?

Yeah, I daresay that would help.

TM moves on Bulbapedia get approved if it's really easy for me to imagine that Pokemon using the move, which is partly dependent on type. Pretty arbitrary, but there you go. ? moves still don't need approval, even if only listed for an earlier form. Tutor moves on Bulbapedia aren't really relevant, normally, unless it's a TM I'd like a wide userbase for.