[Meta thread] Iron's PokeRole Adventure: The Skull Ruins

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Oh right... damn flinching.

I miss Sage a little. He seemingly is not much of a battler according what Iron once said, plus he has a Bulbasaur egg that he seemingly knows very well how to care for and still that Pinsirnite.

[Iron]

Yeah we can consider Sage out of the campaign. Haven't heard a peep from him, and the grace period is only supposed to be a week.

[Lord Windos]

Yeah we can consider Sage out of the campaign. Haven't heard a peep from him, and the grace period is only supposed to be a week.

Which means that Pinsirite is gone to the wind, and so is Apsis only friend... Wonder who will eventually take his spot in the campaign?

[Lord Windos]

It wasn't mean to Nathan directly, really not... I'm sorry for this. Looks like that thing between her and Ven is not that much more than a horrible misunderstanding... As soon as she cleared issues with Nathan, she'll go to look out for Ven. She has his phone number to set up a emergency meeting, and there is no way she wouldn't try to fix bridges with that person who formerly called her 'his best friend' and 'adorably beautiful'. Even if she goes down and gets rejected, at least she tried.

How would he react then/what does 'VERY' different mean?


Dragon, I just finished what Shiva will say to you as apology. You can look forward to a nice text wall!~

He would still want an apology to both Nathan and him for saying those hurtful things. After that is dealt with, though, he would be willing to listen to her about the whole issue, and apologize himself for being so harsh, leaving her when she needed him most, and for causing her to become clinically depressed. He's going feel like shit when it dawns on him that he snub Shiva for no real good reason...

As for different reaction, he would have praised her abilities to high heaven and attempt to initiate even more cuddles to assure her that while she not as fierce of a battler as Nathan is, she's far crafter and more devious than he's ever capable of being. He'd also explain that evryone has their own battle styles, and that and everyone's is perfectly suited for their needs! He cares for her greatly, and normally would never even DARE to disappoint her! 

Of course, simple miscommunications and overspeaking happened, and the party is more splintered than ever solely due to Ventus. Fuck me....

[Lord Windos]

@Dragonstrike : How will a Nathan react to Shiva's depressed state of mind, and the fact that it was unintentionally caused by Ventus taking offense to what he thought Shiva said about him? He's already pissed off at Ventus for stonewalling him, but how will this thorny problem play out?

I also wonder if Shiva will mention that it was Ven himself that prompted her to reveal the truth... Thing grow ever more complicated, as the intrigue deepens and widens.

[Dragonstrike]

He would still want an apology to both Nathan and him for saying those hurtful things. After that is dealt with, though, he would be willing to listen to her about the whole issue, and apologize himself for being so harsh, leaving her when she needed him most, and for causing her to become clinically depressed. He's going feel like shit when it dawns on him that he snub Shiva for no real good reason...

As for different reaction, he would have praised her abilities to high heaven and attempt to initiate even more cuddles to assure her that while she not as fierce of a battler as Nathan is, she's far crafter and more devious than he's ever capable of being. He'd also explain that evryone has their own battle styles, and that and everyone's is perfectly suited for their needs! He cares for her greatly, and normally would never even DARE to disappoint her! 

Of course, simple miscommunications and overspeaking happened, and the party is more splintered than ever solely due to Ventus. Fuck me....

Everyone here is at fault in some way, Windos.  Ventus was just the catalyst for the most part.

Nathan has a hard time letting go of the past, and the secret involving Kirlia directly made it even harder to let go of it.

Shiva outright lied to Nathan about it not once, but twice, and went out of her way to tell Ventus more info than Nathan (though Kirlia hadn't evolved at that point, so it didn't seem like it would be a problem then).  Granted, none of that was completely unwarranted, but I've said that Nathan only needed to know the parts relating to Kirlia's evolution since this whole mess kicked off.

Ventus is also a little at fault for keeping the secret so closely guarded, but again, it wasn't completely unwarranted.

Again, the whole problem with the situation was that it involved Nathan directly in a VERY important way, and nobody would tell him why.  His stubbornness on the matter whenever he found a chance to bring it back up didn't help.  The whole thing became a mess of trust issues that needed to be fixed, all because of a chain of negative events.

The good news is that it can still be fixed.  And we can take measures to keep something like this from happening again, and hopefully preserve a lot of the life in the game by being able to flesh out our characters and the world a little more on the side.

I don't regret my decisions for how Nathan reacted to all this, but I definitely do not want it to happen again. 

And don't feel too bad for missing Shiva's general statement not being directed just at Nathan.  To most onlookers, I think it would be interpreted as such as well given she mentioned Nathan just before making the general statement, and even if you're empathic, it's likely easy to get lost in the heat of the moment and make mistakes anyways.  Ventus reacted in a perfectly reasonable way, I feel.

@Dragonstrike : How will a Nathan react to Shiva's depressed state of mind, and the fact that it was unintentionally caused by Ventus taking offense to what he thought Shiva said about him? He's already pissed off at Ventus for stonewalling him, but how will this thorny problem play out?

Nathan's probably going to be incredibly worried.  Kirlia probably will be too (since Shiva means a lot to Nathan because of the recent events), and Shiva's probably not going to really be able to hide something like that from him for long.

When he hears why, he'll probably...I'm not sure.  It's a perfectly reasonable reaction, but he's probably going to have just as many words for Shiva as he will for Ventus.  Now, how he says them...that's still to be determined.

[Lord Windos]

Well put, my friend, but damn if I don't feel guilty as hell anyway. It's just seems that Ventus is ALWAYS a catalyst for trouble, even if he does not mean to. Bloody hell...

I'm sorta at a loss how to fix relationship between both Nathan and Shiva, other than just waiting and apologizing for being offucating/an asshole. Though I know the general plan if this general scenario happens: Just open up about the relevant details, damnit, and note be so gosh darn mute about things!

The main problem I have with Ven's backlash against her is That he would have been both smart and empathetic enough to figure out her statement, but I was too ignorant to see it for myself. Ven has absolute control over his emotions, and can still think and act logically/rationally even if he goes off the deep end, one way or another.

He literally can't lose himself: every action or word he says is deliberate and well thought out, even if that thought process is fueled by anger. He intended to snub Shiva sensibilities for 'badmouthing' Nathan, even if he didn't mean for her to become depressed over it...That just make the misunderstanding all the worse, in my mind!

Then he will have to deal with Nathan getting upset over the misunderstanding, the misunderstanding itself, and just how he going to unsticky the relationship between him and Shiva. Perhaps Nathan can be the mediator for once, as he's the least involved in THAT mess...

[Dragonstrike]

I, for one, think it will be nice development for Ventus to realize that he made a mistake. Nobody's perfect, after all.

Nathan very well might be the needed mediator here, seeing as he just wants to see this conflict end...

[Lord Windos]

I, for one, think it will be nice development for Ventus to realize that he made a mistake.  Nobody's perfect, after all.

Nathan very well might be the needed mediator here, seeing as he just wants to see this conflict end.

He made several mistake in the campaign already and payed the price for/developed from them. It's just that he's always been able to rationalize or justify/absolve it away on some level, and he's never really been shitty to Shiva besides forcing the truth out of her, and he had good reason to do that as well!

This is just going to be the first time he's brought a situation upon himself when their was literally no need or good reason to, and that's going to hurt him especially hard. Add in that this happened to Shiva, and he might never forgive himself for this mess...

Good chance for character development, but it could be good or bad, really.

[Dragonstrike]

One thing's for sure: ALL of us are going to develop in some way from this. Both in and out of character.