[Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows

[Dragonstrike]

A few points:

- For reference, No One seems to be busty with schoolwork for a bit, so I'll put Daxter on autopilot for a bit in the background so we can keep things moving.

- Daxter leaving Team OS doesn't necessarily mean he has to leave the Adventurer's Guild, and that the full group won't be brought together one way or another for important story beats.  

- Reminder to be careful about making assumptions about how other players' characters (and my NPCs, for that matter) might react to a situation.

- If the group is going to undergo major changes, the best time to resolve them in-game would be during the timeskip I'm going to insert between Chapters 1 and 2.  We don't have to do a lot of IC drama right now if people don't want to roleplay it.

[Lord Windos]

A few points:

- For reference, No One seems to be busty with schoolwork for a bit, so I'll put Daxter on autopilot for a bit in the background so we can keep things moving.

- Daxter leaving Team OS doesn't necessarily mean he has to leave the Adventurer's Guild, and that the full group won't be brought together one way or another for important story beats.  

- Reminder to be careful about making assumptions about how other players' characters (and my NPCs, for that matter) might react to a situation.

- If the group is going to undergo major changes, the best time to resolve them in-game would be during the timeskip I'm going to insert between Chapters 1 and 2.  We don't have to do a lot of IC drama right now if people don't want to roleplay it.

Yeouch, I figured that was the reason we weren't hearing from them. Wish he could post more often, but not everyone can find the time to balance between rping and school life - heck, I could only hardly managed it myself when I was an undergraduate!

- Dax leaving the group is still effectively because of mostly Pyra and a little bit of Kogeki, so it doesn't really matter if he remains in the AG. She caused a party split and engendered enough 'badness' to force Dax out, so she's not going to take that well.
- I KNOW, but until I see how you/No one RP out how Dax is going to handle splitting off from the group to form his own (and what Karen does to that too), I can only assume the worst out of precaution. Even if he does so 'gently' Pyra would still become a mess for who knows how long, for aforementioned reasons. Her friends mean the world to her, so when one of them all but rejects her and and she inadvertidly splinters the group because she did too much 'wrong' by him, coupled with the fact she isn't exactly the most mature or psychologically average (or stable, right now).......hm.
- I frankly don't want to RP that final realization that shatters Pyra's heart and leads her to despondently leaving the group/becoming completely demotivated (and doing whatever) beyond a couple of sentences reaction in the MD, so that complete fallout can most definitely happen in the Time Skip and my new PC can be brought in to replace her. PM me whenever you want to get started on that process, Dragonstrike.

[no one]

Sorry for the large gaps in posting everyone, it's unfortunate but unavoidable till the 26th, I'm afraid.

Firstly, to answer Spirit. I would like to have Daxter leave the group mostly because of the IC reasons that I mentioned earlier. I'd also like to point out that I've got no problems with more morally ambiguous characters OOC. Daxter is the one who's having trouble with accepting the way that Kogeki and Pyra are and he's not gonna be okay with having to stay in the group. I would never ask you guys to change your entire style of RPing just to fit me in, but you've gotta extend that to me too. I've chosen more of a Neutral Good alignment for Daxter and that means that there will be conflict with the rest of the group. He doesn't like the way Kogeki and Pyra do things just like they might not like the way he does things. He's splitting up because he doesn't want conflict and he doesn't want to be linked to them in case something sketchy does happen. You can continue playing as a morally grey character, but I don't want to and I'd like for my IC decisions to be respected especially seeing as it doesn't mechanically mess with the campaign too much. Daxter could eventually grow to accept Kogeki's methods but as of now, he's really not having it.

And as for Windos... I really don't think creating a whole new character is necessary. Daxter is really angry and upset with Pyra now, but that doesn't mean he won't be open to reconciliation in the future. It kinda seems as though like you're trying to strongarm me into doing what you want (I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case and I'm just seeing things) and I really don't think it has to be like that. I'd just like to point out that by creating a new character, you'd be closing off any possibility of character growth on Pyra's (and Daxter's too to a certain extent) part. If you're deadset on that being the response to Daxter leaving, I'm not gonna argue. I respect your way of roleplaying but I'd also like to do things the way I want to as well. Whenever I get forced into doing things that don't feel right IC I start to lose motivation and it'd probably end up in me leaving the campaign which is the last thing I want.

I just wanted to address that because I have a couple of minutes to myself away from the books. Depending on how much time I get tonight and tomorrow, I'll post in the game thread but my posting from then onwards will most definitely be sporadic until the 26th due to time constraints.

[Lord Windos]

Sorry for the large gaps in posting everyone, it's unfortunate but unavoidable till the 26th, I'm afraid.

(...)

And as for Windos... I really don't think creating a whole new character is necessary. Daxter is really angry and upset with Pyra now, but that doesn't mean he won't be open to reconciliation in the future. It kinda seems as though like you're trying to strongarm me into doing what you want (I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case and I'm just seeing things) and I really don't think it has to be like that. I'd just like to point out that by creating a new character, you'd be closing off any possibility of character growth on Pyra's (and Daxter's too to a certain extent) part. If you're deadset on that being the response to Daxter leaving, I'm not gonna argue. I respect your way of roleplaying but I'd also like to do things the way I want to as well. Whenever I get forced into doing things that don't feel right IC I start to lose motivation and it'd probably end up in me leaving the campaign which is the last thing I want.

I just wanted to address that because I have a couple of minutes to myself away from the books. Depending on how much time I get tonight and tomorrow, I'll post in the game thread but my posting from then onwards will most definitely be sporadic until the 26th due to time constraints.

Eh....I personally think it is myself, since the way I made Pyra has left her with a crippling dependence on her friends and their wants/needs, so one of them leaving because of her is pure kryptonite to the poor demoness. I'm glad you're willing to bring up that point, though, and I will admit it is an extreme reaction that I wouldn't make with other characters normally, but this is Pyra we're dealing with. She doesn't do regular or standard reactions, especially when it concerns the group.

Ah.....err......sorry if I gave that impression to you. No, to confirm, I'm not trying to guilt/bargain with you into keeping Dax in the group. I'd be a lot more direct and blunt with you were that the case (just ask Dragonstrike, or see the past drama we had over Orthros in Iron's game). I just think that it'd be appropriate for Pyra at the very least to leave or take a pro-longed leave of abscense after Dax leaves . She CAN stick around and keep directly helping/being a part of Team OS, but her heart or mind wouldn't really be in it (let alone ready to handle the stress of being an adventurer and discovering herself/the world) for a long time. 'Sides, it's probably not for the best anymore for me to play a strange, amoral character in a mostly moral party and setting (Kogeki is flexible on that front, but ultimately a good boy), as OOC and IC if she was enough to prompt this party split and discord then it is really a good idea to keep such a disruptive character around unless everyone was onboard with it IC? As for how much she'll interact with when she leaves or her growth thereafter, that's something I'll have to discuss with Dragonstrike when we get into the nitty gritty of new character creation.

EDIT: On reflection, more than anything concerning Pyra's reaction and admittedly my desire to 'start over' with a character better suited the Dragonstrike's PMD game......I just think I want Pyra to leave because I don't want her to be the one that forces/prompts you to have Dax leave an otherwise fully functioning and normal group he (or most anyone else, for that matter) wouldn't have any issues with. She's the squeaky gear that is causing the most problems and drama in the group and outside it towards, and....I honestly don't want that to be the case now or in the future, if her behavior causes further problems within the group or spells trouble for them that could be avoided if she just was not there. So with that in mind, I do have to ask.....if I were just to remove Pyra from the group without it being prompted by Dax's decision to leave Team OS, would he actually willing to stick around without her? Or did she cause she an indelible stain on his perception of Team OS that he can no longer bear to be a part of it, with or without Pyra? Because if I can just get rid of her for a long time and make things better for everyone regardless by creating a new character that can get along and not be nearly as trouble prone, wouldn't that be the right thing to do for me and everyone else?

While it's well known by know we (me, Spirit, and Phantom) prefer you have Dax stay, we're fine with you blazing your own trail instead. This is game, and while a certain degree of cooperation is necessary to get through it smoothly, nothing is wrong with taking the initiative (heh) and doing what is in your best interests if it's not going to cause serious harm to the group.

Good luck with the studying, mate. Whatever you're studying for, I hope you ace it!

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

(...) - If the group is going to undergo major changes, the best time to resolve them in-game would be during the timeskip I'm going to insert between Chapters 1 and 2.  We don't have to do a lot of IC drama right now if people don't want to roleplay it.

That's...actually a good idea to spare all the drama of outplaying the leaving of Daxter, Karen(?) and Pyra! I can get behind letting that happen in the upcoming timeskip, indeed, as I would rather continue going on adventures and dungeoncrawl than dealing with the surely nervewrecking and heartbreaking scene of these charas leaving. Not completely skipping it, that not, but I'd rather not fully outplay it. Some important moments and personal biddings of goodbye - yes please (these can also happen in flashbacks or via DM if needed/desired), making it a long and tearful scene - no thanks.

Besides, I haven't anything to add via Kee to Machamp or the current scene, am just waiting for the others (mostly Kogeki and Pyra) to wrap up their loose ends. Just in case anyone is expecting any input or posts in the GameThread from me!

[no one]

Ah, well that does put my worries at ease. I was pretty sure that wasn't the case, so I'm glad I was right on that account. If you're absolutely sure about creating a character that gels in with the group better, it's up to you. Daxter would have left the group anyway in all honesty. Pyra wasn't the whole problem and he'd still probably end up fighting with Kogeki even if she was to leave. I'd be perfectly fine with avoiding the resulting RP from this, though. Difficult conversations like that are pretty nasty OOC, so why on earth would I ever want to play an IC one out?

As for what I'm studying, my terrible judgement has resulted in me choosing Astrophysics as my major which means that my ass will be thoroughly spanked by these exams. Basically a bunch of math and physics I really don't understand and bullshit my way through.

Gonna be making my game thread post in a moment.

[Dragonstrike]

Before I can start typing up the Chapter 2 intro (which will include the timeskip details), I need some clarification on which existing pokemon are going to be joining Daxter's new team.  Karen will go with him (partially due to finding it difficult to handle being around so many strong emotions at once, partially because she doesn't want Daxter to be completely on his own), but he needs at least one of Team OS's recruits as well.  I saw that No One suggested taking Rolycoly.  Is that okay with everyone else?

I already know Pyra is going to end up leaving the team and be replaced by a new character that may be easier to get along with, but his new character won't be showing up immediately.  We'll save the reveal for after the timeskip.

I assume there's no changes to Kogeki and Kee being a part of Team OS, nor to the rest of the team's recruit lineup (Litwick and Klink).  Salandit's status will be addressed in the timeskip along with Zorua's.

As for Machamp's reward, if Daxter wants his own place separate from the one Team OS commissioned, how does Machamp building both structures at no additional cost sound (i.e. he'll take all the money that Zoroark had gotten for the first building's construction)? Basically half off on both.

[Lord Windos]

Before I can start typing up the Chapter 2 intro (which will include the timeskip details), I need some clarification on which existing pokemon are going to be joining Daxter's new team.  Karen will go with him (due to finding it difficult to handle being around so many strong emotions at once), but he needs at least one of Team OS's recruits as well.  I saw that No One suggested taking Rolycoly.  Is that okay with everyone else?

I already know Pyra is going to end up leaving the team and be replaced by a new character that may be easier to get along with, but his new character won't be showing up immediately.  We'll save the reveal for after the timeskip.

I assume there's no changes to Kogeki and Kee being a part of Team OS, nor to the rest of the team's recruit lineup (Litwick and Klink).  Salandit's status will be addressed in the timeskip along with Zorua's.

Fine he gets Rolycoly. Pyra isn't in any shape to object (and wouldn't even if she were), and I don't see any reason to keep the poor thing around Kogeki for the ninja to unintentionally menace.

Looking forward for them to meet the group! Hopefully they'll fit in better and not cause the same sorts of trouble Pyra did!

[Spiritmon]

Still sad to each member to go to different directions....But I guess there is no better choice.

I pretty much okay too in Rolycoly to go. Kogeki will just talk with Karen and wish good luck. And maybe say his goodbyes to Pyra. He will miss her a lot, but will eventually accept her decision in go.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Before I can start typing up the Chapter 2 intro (which will include the timeskip details), I need some clarification on which existing pokemon are going to be joining Daxter's new team.  Karen will go with him (...), but he needs at least one of Team OS's recruits as well.  I saw that No One suggested taking Rolycoly.  Is that okay with everyone else? (...)

Yeah, Daxter taking Rolycoly with him is okay with me in- and outta-chara.

(...) I assume there's no changes to Kogeki and Kee being a part of Team OS, nor to the rest of the team's recruit lineup (Litwick and Klink).  Salandit's status will be addressed in the timeskip along with Zorua's. (...)

Nope, no changes at all on Kee's part. That Salandit does interest him though, so if there'll be any opportunity for Kee to get to know the toxic lizard further and talk to them, he and me will gladly take that opportunity.

As for Machamp's reward, if Daxter wants his own place separate from the one Team OS commissioned, how does Machamp building both structures at no additional cost sound (i.e. he'll take all the money that Zoroark had gotten for the first building's construction)?  Basically half off on both.

Yeah, that's fine to me as well. So that basically means we've fully paid for our base by now, does it?