[Meta Thread] Pokerole Mystery Dungeon: Primal Shadows

[Dragonstrike]

I don't tell you often enough how much I appreciate and admire your commitment to detail and remembering it all because the prior. You've made our lives a LOT easier in regard to handling SpecOps and the like 'cause of this, thank you very much mate!

Little secret for you: the Jukebox serves a secondary purpose of logging major story beats so I can quickly reference which page(s) to flip to if I need to look up something from earlier in the campaign

Just need to remember generally what happened when, and what music was near it!

[Spiritmon]

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I don't tell you often enough how much I appreciate and admire your commitment to detail and remembering it all because the prior. You've made our lives a LOT easier in regard to handling SpecOps and the like 'cause of this, thank you very much mate!

My take on the matter, @Spiritmon , @PhantomUnderYourDes , @Mikaruge108 , and @no one - Don't Trust Delphox yet. Her management style and how she runs the guild, while fairly free when she isn't exerting her authority, leaves a lot to be desired for our Nice Guys Group. Unlike say, for example, Wigglytuff and Chatot, she's fairly strict and authoritative when she does directly act and manage her guild unless you're particularly special (but not TOO special) or high ranked, which means that she is much more willing to potentially shut down our groups with soft or hard power plays if the info we give her sets her Danger Sense off. Her attitude in general has also successful alienated her 'personal human' to the point of them making the attempt to escape the Guild (and by extension her sphere of control) without notice is also not a great look for her, since it's not such a far stretch to posit she'd probably have a similar style to handling the Human PCs ( or worse ) . Or worse, in the case of the Shadowed Members or given that our group members are perhaps the very few beings in the Pokemon Universes to legit say they have meet THE GOD and are their Agents capable of wielding ITS power for the Greater Good. I can already imagine that Delphox would probably want to put a similar overbearing protection detail of Platina if she found out the sheer magnitude of responsibility and power that being a Plate Guardian, or perhaps even tries to exploit them for said power if she is sufficiently pragmatic and/or ruthless/opportunistic to see the need/want to do so with little conniptions about it.

Of course I could be wrong about my assumptions on Delphox, and her behavior could very well be justified by her overall history and the given culture of the region and how Adventurers operate there. Plus having a Boss that actually knows the importance of Humans and is quite willing to protect and provide means for their growth/safety is quite an alluring prospect. The problem is that the groups on the whole A) Are not powerful enough Statwise, experience-wise, AND politically-wise to contest any powerplays on Delphox' part should they decide to put pressure on us in anyway without getting creamed, and B) We just don't know enough verifiable background information on the Guild's Boss and the Guild itself historically to make any GOOD judgement call on Alerting either to the Full Truth of things. Ergo, why I propose keeping the big secrets from her until we can either become enough of a force to content them/the Guild to keep them in check or they simply prove themselves worthy of trust. They still need some info on our groups' quests to prep the Guilds and their wider civilian pops for the disasters ahead and also get our groups support without excessive scrutiny, but not so much of the Big Stuff that they could try to wall us off or start micromanaging our groups into hell, hence why we need to control the narrative carefully for everyone's benefit. What do you mates think about this?

I also agree with your points. Me both IC and OOC do not trust Delphox. Besides, Team Artificer did some shit with Marcus, and still Delphox did nothing to them. Any leader should do punishments to them consider what they did. And yet we didnt see/heard nothing of the type. Any leader who let such thing to happen is not worth of trust.

And I agreed to omit a good portion of them information from Delphox. After we all say our opinions about the points, we should make a list of everything we gonna tell (and not tell) Delphox. If you guys want, Kogeki could be the one to deliver the message, since Kee will be tired and likely want to take a rest, Platina will problably busy speaking with Haxorus, and Daxter will problably take some informations unless he do something else. Karen I do not know if she will do something else.

Of course, if anyone else want to deliver the message to Delphox, I have no problem in that. But we should have a final opinion council here and then make a list of things we gonna share with the Guildmaster.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

Basically you gave great points already on what to share and what not to share to Delphox, so I'll spare myself a long explanation and agree with all of them. Explicitely NOT telling her that 
1. we have humans among us, 
2. we're/Platina's in the possession of one Plate and 
3. that we have controlled shadow-y energy among us via Kogeki and Platina 
gets a twice as definite yes from me, I'd feel a lot better if no one bar direkt team members (aka we all and trusted recruited Pokemon) know about that.

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My take on the matter, @Spirit, @Phantom, @Mika and @NoOne - Don't Trust Delphox yet. Her management style and how she runs the guild, while fairly free when she isn't exerting her authority, leaves a lot to be desired for our Nice Guys Group. Unlike say, for example, Wigglytuff and Chatot, she's fairly strict and authoritative when she does directly act and manage her guild unless you're particularly special (but not TOO special) or high ranked, which means that she is much more willing to potentially shut down our groups with soft or hard power plays if the info we give her sets her Danger Sense off. Her attitude in general has also successful alienated her 'personal human' to the point of them making the attempt to escape the Guild (and by extension her sphere of control) without notice is also not a great look for her, since it's not such a far stretch to posit she'd probably have a similar style to handling the Human PCs ( or worse ) . Or worse, in the case of the Shadowed Members or given that our group members are perhaps the very few beings in the Pokemon Universes to legit say they have meet THE GOD and are their Agents capable of wielding ITS power for the Greater Good. I can already imagine that Delphox would probably want to put a similar overbearing protection detail of Platina if she found out the sheer magnitude of responsibility and power that being a Plate Guardian, or perhaps even tries to exploit them for said power if she is sufficiently pragmatic and/or ruthless/opportunistic to see the need/want to do so with little conniptions about it.

Of course I could be wrong about my assumptions on Delphox, and her behavior could very well be justified by her overall history and the given culture of the region and how Adventurers operate there. Plus having a Boss that actually knows the importance of Humans and is quite willing to protect and provide means for their growth/safety is quite an alluring prospect. The problem is that the groups on the whole A) Are not powerful enough Statwise, experience-wise, AND politically-wise to contest any powerplays on Delphox' part should they decide to put pressure on us in anyway without getting creamed, and B) We just don't know enough verifiable background information on the Guild's Boss and the Guild itself historically to make any GOOD judgement call on Alerting either to the Full Truth of things. Ergo, why I propose keeping the big secrets from her until we can either become enough of a force to content them/the Guild to keep them in check or they simply prove themselves worthy of trust. They still need some info on our groups' quests to prep the Guilds and their wider civilian pops for the disasters ahead and also get our groups support without excessive scrutiny, but not so much of the Big Stuff that they could try to wall us off or start micromanaging our groups into hell, hence why we need to control the narrative carefully for everyone's benefit. What do you mates think about this?

Honestly, I have mixed feelings about Delphox aka our Guildmaster:

On one hand, I/Kee greatly respect her and see her as a at-times-harsh but fair and 'I know what I am doing'-type.
On the other hand, we've interacted not enough with her directly to consider her as a real ally and one that we could entrust with sensitive details.

But I also cannot shake off a lingering feeling of she knowing a lot more than she is sharing/displaying/telling. Like, A LOT more - if she (Delphox) went out of her way to 'adopt' Sheena and keep her in her Guild and be overprotective over her, she must have had her reasons for that, good reasons. She (Sheena)'s a human, humans play a vital role on the fight against the shadow energy, so possibly Delphox's way of aiding in that fight was basically keeping Sheena in a Golden Cage to make sure she can grow in safety and contribute her part to the fight when she's ready. Delphox does/did not share that to Sheena directly though, rendering Sheena having had enough and escaping said Golden Cage.....All in all, I'm curious to see where things go between the two and how important Sheena will become as we progress.

EDIT: I greatly respect her as our Guildmaster, but she has not yet 'earned' my trust just yet.

[Mikaruge108]

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Of course I could be wrong about my assumptions on Delphox, and her behavior could very well be justified by her overall history and the given culture of the region and how Adventurers operate there. Plus having a Boss that actually knows the importance of Humans and is quite willing to protect and provide means for their growth/safety is quite an alluring prospect. The problem is that the groups on the whole A) Are not powerful enough Statwise, experience-wise, AND politically-wise to contest any powerplays on Delphox' part should they decide to put pressure on us in anyway without getting creamed, and B) We just don't know enough verifiable background information on the Guild's Boss and the Guild itself historically to make any GOOD judgement call on Alerting either to the Full Truth of things. Ergo, why I propose keeping the big secrets from her until we can either become enough of a force to content them/the Guild to keep them in check or they simply prove themselves worthy of trust. They still need some info on our groups' quests to prep the Guilds and their wider civilian pops for the disasters ahead and also get our groups support without excessive scrutiny, but not so much of the Big Stuff that they could try to wall us off or start micromanaging our groups into hell, hence why we need to control the narrative carefully for everyone's benefit. What do you mates think about this?

Karen is only gonna share what was stated in the game thread with Delphox, Ambiguous on how I feel about Delphox at the moment, only reason at all I said shadowing being mentioned is that it should only come from the ones that have been shadowed or not at all, and agree that it shouldn't come up out of an abundance of caution.

[PhantomUnderYourDesk]

One more thing about Delphox that I've forgotten yesterday and only remembered today: Their species are canonically able to see the future. (aka their dex-entries state that very directly) Therefor it wouldn't suprise me that much personally if our Guildmaster has already foreseen the arrival of new humans into the Pokemon World, them joining her Guild, and them being the key to fight the shadow-y energy. Or even better/worse (depending how one sees it), her being aware of our human state and our secret Quest from Arcus. In what detail however, that depends.

But if it's so, she's doing a very good job to play pretend and not showing anything of that on the outside.

[Dragonstrike]

I'm finished with Indigo Disk's main story and am now in the postgame Legendary hunt phase.  Posting speed should be returning to normal soon, as Legendary hunting and going for 100% in general looks like it is going to take some time to do.

[Mikaruge108]

in case its needed

Location of the legendaries
Being grammatically correct breaks the spoiler :sob:

[Spiritmon]

Gonna send you in the pm the message inside of the letter @Dragonstrike.

[Dragonstrike]

Merry Christmas (Eve) everyone!  Hope your holidays are happy and go smoothly!


One of my coworkers has apparently been told to come in to work even though he's been sick, so we'll see how my holiday goes.

[Mikaruge108]

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!